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What is it about TOS that makes it look so distinctly 1960s?

Yes, Star Trek looks of an era. And that's a bone I have with the new f/x because they don't look of that era. They don't look like the best of what the '60s had to offer. They look contemporary and wholly out of place and out of synch with the rest of the production.
 
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I can't explain it, myself. GSchnitzer mentioned upthread about the efforts of Phase II to really capture the look and feel of the original series, and I can honestly say that when I watch their efforts (along with those of Starship Exeter), I really feel at home, that I have come home and that I am watching a continuation of a legacy that began 44 years ago.

I love the original series. It is the best series, in my opinion, and I think it is timeless and relevant, and more enjoyable than ever. When I see TOS I don't see "The 60s", I see powerful characters, colorful casts and sets, and fun, innovative storylines that never fail to capture my imagination. Long live TOS.
 
If there's one thing I notice over the last 25 years, it's the explosion of gratuitous cussing in our culture. Everybody swears quite a bit more than they used to. TOS captured a time when characters in TV drama were not expected to punctuate their feelings with so many cusswords.
 
When I posed the question "why?", I wasn't trying to make it out that McCoy was baffled by the notion of a doomsday machine, but somehow 60's audiences weren't. I was suggesting that, unlike the 1960's in which TOS was made, we now live in a world where horrific things happen and people have, to a degree, stopped asking "why?" to try to understand the motivation behind the latest bad news.

That's one of the things that makes the 1960's a world apart from today, and it looks to me like we lost something more than just our perceived "innocence".

I'm wondering, were you around in the '60s and '70s? The '60s were a bit before my time, but I know from growing up in the '70s and '80s that people were living under the constant fear of nuclear annihilation. People today think that the fear of terrorists blowing up a plane or a building is horrific, but back then, it would've paled next to the everyday fear of the end of the entire world. So I just find it rather disingenuous to claim that people back then had some kind of innocence that's now been lost. If anything, the present is a more innocent time, because the world is so much further from the brink of immediate doom that our definitions of what constitutes a "horrific thing" are much smaller in scale.

It's the nature of human memory that negative experiences are stored less effectively than positive ones, or that we simply try not to dwell on them as much. So over time, the bad things in the past fade in our recollection, and it creates the pervasive illusion that the past was better or purer or simpler than the present. But that's a myth people have been believing for thousands of years, and it's no more likely to be true today than it was at any time in the past.


. . . here was a prime-time network hourlong drama that, with very few exceptions, stuck to a genuinely G-rated vocabulary for whole episodes. If I'm not mistaken, you could go months on end and hear no profanity from any of the characters. Proof positive they really don't make 'em like they used to!
TV censorship was a whole lot stricter back then. In fact, the only “profanity” (if you can call it that) in all of TOS was when Kirk uttered the famous line “Let's get the hell out of here” at the end of “City on the Edge of Forever.” And it was a bit of a battle with network censors to keep that in.

Although it was allowable to use "hell" and "damn" in a literal sense or in a standard expression rather than as expletives: Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" said the planet-killer was like a devil "right out of hell"; McCoy in "Spectre of the Gun" described Tombstone as "hell-for-leather, right out of history"; and in "Court-martial," Kirk said the computer log's evidence against him was "damning."

They did employ milder oaths, of course: "blast it," "What the Devil," "What in blazes," "What in heaven," etc.

When Marvel Comics got the Trek license in the '90s, they apparently were trying to be accessible to a young audience, since they tended to avoid profanity there; but they did it by having the characters say "heck" and "darn" and it came off rather silly. It would've been better if they'd used the same mild oaths employed on TOS.


Two words: Belly buttons!

Actually that's not so much a quality of the '60s. Network censorship at the time was so strict it forbade showing the female navel. Evidently that policy had relaxed by 1968, though, judging from the shots there (though Palamas' navel is hidden, as one would expect from the early second season).
 
When I see TOS I don't see "The 60s", I see powerful characters, colorful casts and sets, and fun, innovative storylines that never fail to capture my imagination.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Something I should point out, from my own point of view, is that when I watch TOS objectively, I can see the 1960s style that's so evident: the lighting, the music, the hairstyles, the "minimalist style" used in production.

But when I ignore all that and watch any episode just to enjoy it, it becomes timeless. It's no longer a product of the 1960s, it's now a great TV show that could have been made in any decade.

I have a baby daughter who is now 15 months old. (She even wears a Star Trek onesie: blue, with the science insignia) I've been looking forward to introducing her to Star Trek when she gets older and will be able to understand it. She won't know Star Trek was made over fifty years before she was born. In fact, it could be a long time before she even understands that. I almost envy that.
 
Oh, one more very positive and very period-specific feature of TOS:

Language - here was a prime-time network hourlong drama that, with very few exceptions, stuck to a genuinely G-rated vocabulary for whole episodes. If I'm not mistaken, you could go months on end and hear no profanity from any of the characters. Proof positive they really don't make 'em like they used to!

Just one damn minute, Captain...
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I used to think the strongest "curse" I had ever heard from Captain Kirk was "Go to the devil." I've actually never heard anyone say that before in real life.
 
I'm wondering, were you around in the '60s and '70s? The '60s were a bit before my time, but I know from growing up in the '70s and '80s that people were living under the constant fear of nuclear annihilation. People today think that the fear of terrorists blowing up a plane or a building is horrific, but back then, it would've paled next to the everyday fear of the end of the entire world.

I remember in late 60's early 70's doing that ridiculous "hide under your desk in response to the nuclear attack" drill.:guffaw:

Yeah, kids today should see "A Boy & His Dog," "Damnation Alley" & similar movies to see the future we were all expecting due to the rampant paranoia.
 
'Damnation Alley" is one of my favorite bad movies. It's always fun when they end up in Vegas. Although if the world ended, Circus Circus is probably the last place I'd want to check out.
 
Know what? I saw a picture of a Vulcan from the series Phase II Roddenberry was preparing (I think his name was Xon- it was the guy at the beginning of TMP that said, "Who are they fighting?"), and damn if he didn't have a MacGyver mullet!
A mullet on a Vulcan...:crazy:
I'm not gonna dig up a link 'cause believe me, you don't want to see it.:(
 
Back to the OP, I'd guess a lot of it (besides the visual stuff) comes down to acting and pacing. I'm watching some older TV with my class this week, and it's really quite a step from the 1950s/1960s to the 1970s.
 
Christopher,

I can fully appreciate what you are saying, but you are misunderstanding what I was saying. I do not disagree with what you are saying. Yes, it is true that the threat of nuclear annihilation was very much a part of Cold War culture. No denying that. McCoy's question "why?" was a relic of an era when people still bothered to ask "why"; if memory serves, Americans began to coarsen and loose that desire to ask "why" gradually through the 1970's, '80's and 90's.
 
Oh, one more very positive and very period-specific feature of TOS:

Language - here was a prime-time network hourlong drama that, with very few exceptions, stuck to a genuinely G-rated vocabulary for whole episodes. If I'm not mistaken, you could go months on end and hear no profanity from any of the characters. Proof positive they really don't make 'em like they used to!

Just one damn minute, Captain...
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A double-dumb-ass on you! :rommie:
 
McCoy's question "why?" was a relic of an era when people still bothered to ask "why"; if memory serves, Americans began to coarsen and loose that desire to ask "why" gradually through the 1970's, '80's and 90's.

I just don't accept that premise as true. Plenty of people asked why after 9/11. I'm sure plenty of people in the Gulf States are asking why about the oil spill. And "Americans" are not a single identity, a single personality. They're as diverse as any group of human beings you can name. There's no one thing that Americans as a whole would've uniformly stopped thinking or feeling or wondering.
 
There's no one thing that Americans as a whole would've uniformly stopped thinking or feeling or wondering.
I must say I myself *do* detect a lot less "why?" because, I believe, Americans can count on any number of politicos & talk show hosts to TELL them "why."
 
I remember in late 60's early 70's doing that ridiculous “hide under your desk in response to the nuclear attack” drill.:guffaw:
I had a science teacher in the ninth grade who said, “If we were under atomic attack, I sincerely doubt that crawling under these tables would prevent us from becoming well-roasted hunks of beef.” Even at that young age, we knew Civil Defense drills were bullshit.

I remember hearing the air raid sirens being tested at 10:00 A.M. on the last Friday of every month. I always figured that's the exact time the Russians would choose to attack!
 
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