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What is it about TOS that makes it look so distinctly 1960s?

But, if you look closely, there ARE ashtrays in Enterprise corridors.
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that link isn't working for me, but i'd really like to see the image to see what you are talking about

TrekCore inconsistently blocks direct links to their images. This happens to be one of them. You need to go to this page, and then click on the top right image thumbnail. That contraption to the left of the turbolift door looks like it could be an ashtray, but that would be inconsistent with what we've seen on Star Trek. So, I think it's supposed to serve some other purpose.
 
But, if you look closely, there ARE ashtrays in Enterprise corridors.
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x07/dayofdove_147.jpg

that link isn't working for me, but i'd really like to see the image to see what you are talking about

TrekCore inconsistently blocks direct links to their images. This happens to be one of them. You need to go to this page, and then click on the top right image thumbnail. That contraption to the left of the turbolift door looks like it could be an ashtray, but that would be inconsistent with what we've seen on Star Trek. So, I think it's supposed to serve some other purpose.
Inconsistent? Nicholas Meyer put that sign on the bridge in TWOK that said NO SMOKING AT ANY TIME ON BRIDGE. :vulcan:

Not that I think smoking will actually still be as common in the future as it is now, but if they put No Smoking signs on the bridge of all places, why wouldn't they have ashtrays in the corridors?
 
I think there was also a No Smoking sign in the transporter room in "The Cage." However, despite those two odd references, no episode or film of Star Trek ever showed anyone in Starfleet smoking (except for Q creating magic cigars for the crew in "Deja Q"), and such signs were rare exceptions rather than the rule. So it's unreasonable to conclude from them that smoking was a common practice. (And it's hard for us to realize how radical it was for a 1960s show to depict a world without smoking. Just look at ST's sister show Mission: Impossible. Smoking is a constant reality there, at least for the first several seasons.)

The real explanation is that different filmmakers bring different interpretations to the table and thus it's not a perfectly consistent reality, but a series of distinct fictional creations that maintain the approximate pretense of consistency. So I'm perfectly content to ignore those signs and their ramifications. But an in-universe explanation might be the same factor that underlies a lot of ridiculous, seemingly unnecessary warning labels today -- that maybe there was a single, rare instance where it happened and the lawyers insisted on putting up signs everywhere in response, just in case.

Or maybe the sign was on the bridge in TWOK and only in TWOK because the ship was a cadet training vessel at that point. Maybe it was possible that some cadets might have picked up some rare bad habits that Starfleet training hadn't yet cured them of.
 
I think there was also a No Smoking sign in the transporter room in "The Cage."

I think you're remembering Gene Roddenberry's introduction to the reconstructed color/b&w version, where they have a closeup on that "No Smoking" sign of the movie transporter set, when GR mentions that nobody on the Enterprise smoked, in an era where tobacco ads were very big business on television.
 
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There were no "No Smoking" signs in The Original Series--neither on the bridge nor in the transporter room. The first appearance of a "No Smoking" sign (and fire extinguishers) is in the second Star Trek movie The Wrath of Khan. Director Nicholas Meyer wanted to add a few touches that make the Star Trek universe and the people in it seem a little more real and a little more "like us" and not quite so idealized people of the future. In an interview, Meyer said:

"One of the reasons I did this picture was to make the people real. That's all that interests me. Why can't Captain Kirk read a book? Why can't he do anything that we do? One of the things I had to back off on was having him smoke. There's a sign in the simulator that says "No Smoking on the Bridge." Somebody said they're not going to smoke in the 23rd Century. I said "Why Not?" They've been smoking for four hundred years. People haven't given it up despite the Surgeon General's warning. Why can't they drink a cup of coffee? I kept thinking that the bridge was like the bridge of a destroyer with fog around and guys in pea jackets coming up with coffee."

Indeed, the "No Smoking Anytime on Bridge" signage can be seen adjacent to each of the two turbolifts in the bridge simulator:

Here it is next to the port turbolift (with a fire extinguisher on the other side of the door).

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And the starboard turbolift has the same signage:

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You can read it a bit better here:

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Of course, this same set had to be used as the bridge simulator *and* the Enterprise bridge *and* the Reliant bridge--so they had to make some changes each time it was redressed. Even the red fire extinguishers from the simulator were swapped out with silver colored ones for the "actual" bridge in order to make the sets look different. The "No Smoking" signage appears only in the simulator, not on the Enterprise bridge itself and not on the Reliant bridge. Here's a shot of the Enterprise bridge:

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...and a shot of the Reliant bridge:

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You can see that the signage isn't present in The Motion Picture at either turbolift:

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And they aren't present on the bridge in The Search for Spock (and the fire extinguishers are gone, too):

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So, where do we start seeing the "No Smoking" sign in the transporter room? Well, it's not in The Motion Picture (since the signs started with director Nick Meyer in the second movie). Here are some shots of the transporter room from TMP--with no "No Smoking" sign in sight:

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Some signage does appear in the transporter room in The Wrath of Khan. But this "Caution" sign has just two rules on it--"Place feet in center of pad" and "Keep extremities within transporter field." (The word "Caution" is on the left and these two safety rules are one above the other over on the right.) But the sign doesn't have "Rule No. 1: No smoking." You can see the signs on both the left and right side of the transporter chamber on the Regula Lab space station:

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...and in the transporter room of the Enterprise itself:

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The "Caution/No Smoking" sign finally shows up in The Search For Spock. Two of them are in the transporter room at the Starbase (on either side of the transporter chamber). The word "Caution" is on top and the three safety rules are below it:

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...and one of them is in the hallway outside the Starbase transporter room:

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And then finally, the "Caution/No Smoking" sign appears in the Enterprise transporter room itself a bit later in the movie--as the Klingons beam aboard the soon-to-be destroyed Enterprise:

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We get a good look at the sign in the wraparound documentary that was shot when "The Cage" was first aired for Trek's 20th anniversary in 1986:

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So, that's the deal on the "No Smoking" sign. Its one and only canon appearance on the Enterprise is in The Search for Spock.[/QUOTE]
 
Okay, see, actually the signs were instructing people agains the flavoring of meat, fish, or cheese through the use of burning wood while on the bridge/transporter room. See, there was this whole huge smoked-meats fad sweeping the Federation at the time, due to a mistranslation in a widely read book about the Preservers, and....

:D
 
Think about it... take an episode of I Love Lucy from the early- to mid-50's. Then fast forward ten years and take one of the black-and-white episodes of Dick Van Dyke or Andy Griffith or Bewitched.

Aside from the differing camera angles depending on whether the show was single camera or three camera, can you really see anything that dates one differently from the other?

The women's fashions and hairstyles are quite different. (And suppose the men's are as well, but its less obvious to me.) You can also get a feel from the sets: 'Lucy' is set in an older established apartment building, while 'Dick van Dyke' is in an ultra moderne suburban home.

Women's fashion is usually the dead giveaway whenever Hollywood does something retro. For example, World War II movies from different eras will have the men in period costume, but the women will nearly always have a 'contemporary' look about them.
 
Think about it... take an episode of I Love Lucy from the early- to mid-50's. Then fast forward ten years and take one of the black-and-white episodes of Dick Van Dyke or Andy Griffith or Bewitched.

Aside from the differing camera angles depending on whether the show was single camera or three camera, can you really see anything that dates one differently from the other?

The women's fashions and hairstyles are quite different. (And suppose the men's are as well, but its less obvious to me.) You can also get a feel from the sets: 'Lucy' is set in an older established apartment building, while 'Dick van Dyke' is in an ultra moderne suburban home.

Capri pants! MTM rocked 'em!
 
I think there was also a No Smoking sign in the transporter room in "The Cage." However, despite those two odd references, no episode or film of Star Trek ever showed anyone in Starfleet smoking (except for Q creating magic cigars for the crew in "Deja Q"), and such signs were rare exceptions rather than the rule.

Also Picard smoked a (holographic) cigarette on the holodeck. I think it was Manhunt.
 
actually the signs were instructing people against the flavoring of meat, fish, or cheese
I think it means don't be killing each other while transport is in progress.
I believe that there is in the Federation a race called "Smoking," they are the under class of the Federation, everyone looks down upon them. Just as there used to be signs that said No Jews or No Blacks or No Irish, in the 23rd and 24th centuries there are signs that say No Smoking.

It's really very sad.

They're call "Smoking" because they're a incredibly attractive species and everyone hates them for it.
 
Inconsistent? Nicholas Meyer put that sign on the bridge in TWOK that said NO SMOKING AT ANY TIME ON BRIDGE. :vulcan:

Not that I think smoking will actually still be as common in the future as it is now, but if they put No Smoking signs on the bridge of all places, why wouldn't they have ashtrays in the corridors?
Yes, inconsistent with Star Trek "The Original Series". That's what the topic is referring to, not the movies. In fact, the OP and few posts that follow talk about smoking in the 1960's. :klingon:
 
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