It was made by the people that CBS/Paramount hired to make CGI models.
Transition and explanation of SNW into TOS technology
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It was made by the people that CBS/Paramount hired to make CGI models.
If you want to waste your time retconning what, in the 1960s, resulted from the reuse of stock footage made at different times and what was only intentionally that, well, I guess it's your time to waste. That's about all I have to say about it.Absolutely. For example we see this in a modern Star Trek movie too..
From one shot to the next they must have used different models as the nacelles have the glowy thing in the middle shotBut we know the nacelle configuration can change.
Maybe you guys are arguing the wrong thing about the lack of budget. The lack of budget is for animating in between different modes in TOS
As for what happened here in STXI, was it? Maybe it was an homage to the 1960s footage situation, maybe not. It's at least marginally more interesting to find out how that came to be than trying to retcon the 1960s footage.
Is it a retcon though? What established the TOS Enterprise that we can argue it's a retcon in the first place? Come on, let's waste some more time together
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I was thinking more about new viewers over the last fifteen years. Most probably aren’t watching stuff on VHS anymore.
In my opinion the U. S. S. New Jersey of Picard fame, is a renamed Saladin class Destroyer. They needed a Constitution class very fast...
Took it into a space dock replaced the warp nacelle with a secondary hull. Then relaunched her. Under the new name.
The interior wasn't changed, but crew went up to 288...with the secondary hull having space taking 70 of the additional 88.
Numbers come from the Saladin class general plans.
Took it into a space dock replaced the warp nacelle with a secondary hull. Then relaunched her. Under the new name.
The interior wasn't changed, but crew went up to 288...with the secondary hull having space taking 70 of the additional 88.
Numbers come from the Saladin class general plans.
But why? Why can't the New Jersey be a Constitution Class? We've already seen that a great many of them are named after famous Earth warships, and the USS New Jersey BB-62 was most certainly a famous warship.
It seems awfully convoluted. Does Starfleet have a store of extra secondary hulls and warp nacelles?
I suppose it stands out because it doesn't memorialize a virtue, document, or concept.
Not really. There are multiple ships named for places or cosmic locations (per Ex Astris Scientia's master list):
USS Appalachia, NCC-52136
USS Baton Rouge
USS Berlin, NCC-14232
USS Billings
USS Bozeman, NCC-1941
USS Budapest, NCC-64923
USS Cairo, NCC-42136
USS Carolina, NCC-160
USS Charleston, NCC-42285
USS Chicago
USS Constantinople, NCC-43622
USS Deneva
USS Denver, NCC-54927
USS Emden, NCC-1856
USS Ganymede, NCC-18457
USS Gettysburg, NCC-3890
USS Havana, NCC-34043
USS Hiroshima
USS Hokkaido
USS Honshu, NCC-60205
USS Istanbul
USS Leeds, NCC-70352
USS Melbourne, NCC-62043
SS Milan, NDT-50863
USS New Orleans
USS Niagara
USS Okinawa, NCC-13958
USS Omaha, Nebraska NCC-5252
SS Oregon
USS Philadelphia
USS Portland, NCC-57418
USS Princeton, NCC-59804
USS Rhode Island, NCC-72701
USS Sao Paulo, NCC-75633
USS Sarajevo, NCC-38529
USS ShirKahr, NCC-31905
USS Ticonderoga, NCC-87270
USS Tripoli, NCC-19386
USS Valley Forge, NCC-43305
USS Veracruz
USS White Sands, NAR-0002
SS Wisconsin
USS Wyoming, NCC-43730
USS Yamaguchi, NCC-26510
USS Yellowstone, NCC-70073
USS Yosemite, NCC-19902
The California-class
The Norway-class
The Danube-class
Among Constitution Class ships, I meant.
There's plenty of canonically named Constitution class ships with mundane names. USS Exeter comes to mind. A city in England. A town in Canada. A Heavy Cruiser in the Royal Navy.
Quark has an entire warehouse full. Got them for a song.
Back when fandom thought that this era of Trek had only one saucer design type, a bunch of fans figured that the entire Ptolemy class of transports was retired en masse at some point, leaving literally dozens of relatively low-mile saucers in surplus. In the subsequent ramp up of similar designs modernized like the Connie's TOS to TMP refit, when the ASDB gang wanted to try something new, they broke one of the old Ptolemy saucers out of Qualor II (or wherever), refitted it, and used it as the basis for a shedload of designs with the TMP saucer as its base.
Page 84 of this book here, for anyone looking for a decent read: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/starfleet-dynamics.php
Mark
Page 84 of this book here, for anyone looking for a decent read: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/starfleet-dynamics.php
Mark
NOPE.
SNW is Mariner's fun Star Trek holodeck adventure series where everything is dressed up to look more flashy than it was in reality. Actually no, Discovery was Mariner's program, but then it got hijacked in season 3 by Tendi.
Obviously, there was one around, in need of a primary hull.
Secondary hulls need a primary hull can't have one going without...
Going back to an older point in the thread, it was mentioned that I thought it'd be a great idea to do a retro episode of SNW for the 60th Anniversary and how the Enterprise should absolutely be filmed as a model. Now being that I'm sure they won't open up the glass and film the original in the Smithsonian, @AdmiralBuck just finished the next best thing.
It's the best model I've ever seen of the original and could absolutely be used to make a retro, 60s style episode.
It's the best model I've ever seen of the original and could absolutely be used to make a retro, 60s style episode.
That is absolutely beautiful. Plus unlike the original model, it seems like this has both sides!
They should get that into a motion control rig and use it for the last shot of the Enterprise in the finale.
They should get that into a motion control rig and use it for the last shot of the Enterprise in the finale.
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