Spock Character Thread

[TRON JA307020]

I wonder if we're seeing the same news where we have riots, etc. with people (including government leaders) in recent history who very much aren't 13 years old or anywhere near that age.

I agree suppressing all emotion is bad but honestly the restrained amount that Spock shows now seems like a better alternative compared to how a lot of people act (just look at the news or even posts on reddit or internet forums)

Right. It's emotion run amok(pum intended). Spock had emotions but he controlled them like most vulcans do. We know forcing emotions our our him can potentially kill him or an Vulcan. I always looked up to Spock because how when he was controlled he was cool as ice on the bridge. Peck is doing a nice job. Much better than Quintos Spock.

 

[fireproof78]

Right. It's emotion run amok(pum intended). Spock had emotions but he controlled them like most vulcans do. We know forcing emotions our our him can potentially kill him or an Vulcan. I always looked up to Spock because how when he was controlled he was cool as ice on the bridge. Peck is doing a nice job. Much better than Quintos Spock.

That's not emotionless.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Peck is doing a nice job. Much better than Quintos Spock.

Qunito's Spock just seems perpetually arrogant and angry.

 

[TRON JA307020]

That's not emotionless.

No but they are emotionless a most of the time. Pure vulcans more than Spock.

 

[fireproof78]

No but they are emotionless a good part of the time. Pure vulcans more than Spock.

Which is not good for humans, as I stated earlier.

 

[valden]

6/10 is my score.
Don't still like much of the Ortega character. Also Nurse Chapel seems to be the girl who I see lots of negative backlash coming in the future. Of all the female characters to have gotten a central story, has it romance related. Unless of course she escapes this criticism because she is the hot blonde.

Comparing Nurse Chapel to her TOS self, I think it was way too soon to address her been in love with Spock on this show. She has been coming on to him since the first episode, usually when writers do this- their end goal is to address something or a plot point and get rid of it ASAP.

I would have loved to see Chapel fall in love with Spock in the last season of the show that will lead directly to TOS. The only other reason maybe they are addressing this story so soon, may be because they may want to fully explore Chapel bisexuality more in the later seasons, this of course will happen after Spock's breaks her heart maybe for Leia Kemoni, who Spock has to meet at least 2 years from now.

Lastly I don't like they are making Tpring so sympathetic. I would not mind feeling sympathic towards her as long she they continue to show Spock's neglect of her and they do introduce Stonn, so we can see how she fell in love with Stonn. We the audience need to see this, not the crew or Spock.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Right. It's emotion run amok(pum intended). Spock had emotions but he controlled them like most vulcans do. We know forcing emotions our our him can potentially kill him or an Vulcan. I always looked up to Spock because how when he was controlled he was cool as ice on the bridge. Peck is doing a nice job. Much better than Quintos Spock.

That's just part of his job as Chief Exposition Officer.

 

[fireproof78]

Lastly I don't like they are making Tpring so sympathetic.

Why not? Her motivation should become more apparent, allowing the audience to understand her point of view, rather than just "Boo, she's bad because she made Spock kill Kirk."

 

[Yistaan]

Lastly I don't like they are making Tpring so sympathetic. I would not mind feeling sympathic towards her as long she they continue to show Spock's neglect of her and they do introduce Stonn, so we can see how she fell in love with Stonn. We the audience need to see this, not the crew or Spock.

The dark undertones of T'Pring are there. She chides Spock for having human elements around in his quarters. If anything, this show makes Spock more sympathetic. Amok Time gave the impression that Spock hardly ever talked to T'Pring and basically left her to rot on Vulcan. We now know that this was very much not the case.

 

[valden]

Qunito's Spock just seems perpetually arrogant and angry.

Peck can not seem to deliver a line without him been acting. His reads too much from the script unlike Quinto.

I also dont think Quinto Spock was arrogant, In fact I will say Peck's Spock is more arrogant , if I take into account the dynamic with Michael in season 2 of discovery and when he grills Uhura in Children of the comet asking her to quit so another person can take her place if she did not want to be here.

As for anger, Peck's Spock has not been pushed yet to the anger Quinto Spock had to endure. We know Peck's Spock will never experience the loss of his mother or his entire planet at least not until he becomes Nimoy Spock who travel back in time. Not sure if that ever happened. Peck will be able to pull of the anger Quinto could pull off .

the more I watch this show, the more I think it is well suited for streaming. I don't think this cast would have pulled off that magic factor that made star trek 2009 so successful with Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, Karl Urban, Bruce Greenwood, Zoe Saldana and Eric Bana.

Lastly I think this Christopher Pike need to grow an authoritative presence. I hate how he has more of a big brother relationship to his crew. When Bruce Greenwood Pike talked in the Kelvin films, you felt he was a man that deserve respect from his crew and cadets. I dont get thet with Pike and it should not be that way. I bet this is because the show wants him to be more of the cool dad.

 

[Yistaan]

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the more I watch this show, the more I think it is well suited for streaming. I don't think this cast would have pulled off that magic factor that made star trek 2009 so successful with Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, Karl Urban, Bruce Greenwood, Zoe Saldana and Eric Bana.

Lastly I think this Christopher Pike need to grow an authoritative presence. I hate how he has more of a big brother relationship to his crew. When Bruce Greenwood Pike talked in the Kelvin films, you felt he was a man that deserve respect with his crew and cadet. I dont get thet with Pike and it should not be that way.

I definitely prefer Peck, Mount and Gooding, over Quinto Greenwood and Saldana. Saldana's Uhura was a complete jerk, albeit this was the writing and not really the actress' fault.

As for the Kelvin films' magic factor, if there is one someone forgot to tell Paramount because right now they're scrambling to figure out how to get the 4th film on track while this show is getting all the praise. Not unlike how Mandalorian took all the thunder out of the sequel films on that other Star franchise.

Pike's easygoing nature is meant to highlight the tragedy of him being so alone in the Menagerie. If he were a hardcore cold military authority, I think the impact of him being left alone in TOS after his accident is lessened.

 

[fireproof78]

I also dont think Quinto Spock was arrogant, In fact I will say Peck's Spock is more arrogant , if I take into account the dynamic with Michael in season 2 of discovery and when he grills Uhura in Children of the comet asking her to quit so another person can take her place if she did not want to be here.

Quinto's Spock felt a lot more believable as a character. Peck is hit and miss.

the more I watch this show, the more I think it is well suited for streaming. I don't think this cast would have pulled off that magic factor that made star trek 2009 so successful with Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, Karl Urban, Bruce Greenwood, Zoe Saldana and Eric Bana.

Agreed.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I definitely prefer Peck, Mount and Gooding, over Quinto Greenwood and Saldana. Saldana's Uhura was a complete jerk, albeit this was the writing and not really the actress' fault.

As for the Kelvin films' magic factor, if there is one someone forgot to tell Paramount because right now they're scrambling to figure out how to get the 4th film on track while this show is getting all the praise. Not unlike how Mandalorian took all the thunder out of the sequel films on that other Star franchise.

Pike's easygoing nature is meant to highlight the tragedy of him being so alone in the Menagerie. If he were a hardcore cold military authority, I think the impact of him being left alone in TOS after his accident is lessened.

This.

 

[valden]

I definitely prefer Peck, Mount and Gooding, over Quinto Greenwood and Saldana. Saldana's Uhura was a complete jerk, albeit this was the writing and not really the actress' fault.

As for the Kelvin films' magic factor, if there is one someone forgot to tell Paramount because right now they're scrambling to figure out how to get the 4th film on track while this show is getting all the praise. Not unlike how Mandalorian took all the thunder out of the sequel films on that other Star franchise.

Pike's easygoing nature is meant to highlight the tragedy of him being so alone in the Menagerie. If he were a hardcore cold military authority, I think the impact of him being left alone in TOS after his accident is lessened.

Well I only said star trek 2009. I think the ball dropped by the second film. Additionally your comparison with star wars will be inaccurate. you should compare SNW more to discovery and picard and while the SNW is better than those two shows, the reception of this show in the main stream is still average at best. SNW is not Expanse kind of acclaim yet and I dont think it will ever be because the plot of this show still pretty simple and derivate.

Infact I will predict that SNW will fall below an 8 over 10 on IMDB by the last episode if the last episode still has this simplistic writing with millennial dialogue. SNW still does not have that mature depth and intellectual sci fi commentary that in the long run is seen as great star trek. Some of the characters can be juvenile and too angsty like Laan and Ortega and Chapel is clearly boy and girl crazed.

This shows is comfort food , which is not that bad but still not greatest trek ever. if you notice even in fan reviews if SNW, they always say, way better than Discovery and Picard. that is their standard. How long will that last?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Infact I will predict that SNW will fall below an 8 over 10 on IMDB by the last episode if the last episode still has this simplistic writing with millennial dialogue. SNW still does not have that mature depth and intellectual sci fi commentary that in the ling run is seen as great star trek. Some of the characters can be juvenile and too angsty like Laan and Ortega and Chapel is clearly boy and girl crazed.

These are good points, but a common failing of most modern shows, not just Trek. Solid writing, plotting, and the stimulation of critical thinking (however slight) are not mainstays of modern television. Especially when episodic shows have been reduced to 40 minute run times versus 50+ minute run times in decades past.

 

[Yistaan]

Well I only said star trek 2009. SNW still does not have that mature depth and intellectual sci fi commentary that in the ling run is seen as great star trek. Some of the characters can be juvenile and too angsty like Laan and Ortega and Chapel is clearly boy and girl crazed.

This shows is comfort food , which is not that bad but still not greatest trek ever.

I'm a bit surprised at the reasoning because Trek 2009 was all about comfort food for fans. Nimoy reprising Spock even though it makes no sense for an elderly ambassador to be stopping a black hole (and the black hole threatening the galaxy was so absurd that Picard had to retcon it). Kirk made into captain after being a... cadet. Outright bedroom scenes with green Orion women and bizarre running jokes about Uhura's first name (so the guy who hacked the Kobayashi Maru apparently can't read public databases Uhura is included in) that make Chapel, La'an and Ortega look far more military and professional by comparison. Handwavium magical tech like quantum transport that's rarely mentioned again and a precursor to Khan's magical healing blood in the next movie.

 

[fireproof78]

This shows is comfort food , which is not that bad but still not greatest trek ever. if you notice even in fan reviews if SNW, they always say, way better than Discovery and Picard. that is their standard. How long will that last?

Hopefully not long and some day they will actually let works stand on their own. As in, it told the story it wanted to tell and did it well. Not everything needs to be compared against the greatest stories told. That's an absurdist standard that has given us a lot of trends towards recreating Trek's greatest hits.

I'm a bit surprised at the reasoning because Trek 2009 was all about comfort food for fans. Nimoy reprising Spock even though it makes no sense for an elderly ambassador to be stopping a black hole (and the black hole threatening the galaxy was so absurd that Picard had to retcon it). Kirk made into captain after being a... cadet. Outright bedroom scenes with green Orion women and bizarre running jokes about Uhura's first name (so the guy who hacked the Kobayashi Maru apparently can't read public databases Uhura is included in) that make Chapel, La'an and Ortega look far more military and professional by comparison. Handwavium magical tech like quantum transport that's rarely mentioned again and a precursor to Khan's magical healing blood in the next movie.

But, it plays with that recipe far differently. It is hardly comfortable. Kirk isn't perfect, and a bit of a jerk. Spock struggles with his dual nature in very painful ways. Even if it is comfort food it isn't the same as TOS.

 

[Yistaan]

As far as the general audience goes, I still remember Trek 2009 being hyped as Trek for newcomers and the general audience, only for the person I saw it with (a woman from Tianjin China who knew nothing about Trek) to be completely confused and baffled by the movie and hating it. Not to mention her complete confusion when Nimoy showed up claiming to be Quinto from the future. This is where a CGI deepfake actually would have helped, despite the claims that these turn off new audiences (also the tech just wasn't really possible for that in 2009).

I'm currently watching SNW with another Trek newcomer and she loves it. Remembering my Tianjin's friend disgust over the 2009 movie, that's all I really need to know about the quality of 2009 Trek vs SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

As far as the general audience goes, I still remember Trek 2009 being hyped as Trek for newcomers and the general audience, only for the person I saw it with (a woman from Tianjin China who knew nothing about Trek) to be completely confused and baffled by the movie and hating it. Not to mention her complete confusion when Nimoy showed up claiming to be Quinto from the future. This is where a CGI deepfake actually would have helped, despite the claims that these turn off new audiences (also the tech just wasn't really possible for that in 2009).

I'm currently watching SNW with another Trek newcomer and she loves it. Remembering my Tianjin's friend disgust over the 2009 movie, that's all I really need to know about the quality of 2009 Trek vs SNW.

Different strokes. My wife couldn't stand Star Trek but loved 09 and got in to DS9 because of it.

If my TOS Trek fan dad and my scifi hating wife can love it then it did something right. Dare I say magical.

 

[valden]

Quinto's Spock felt a lot more believable as a character. Peck is hit and miss.

Agreed.

I think Peck is hit or miss based on script or acting limitations. Quinto can play any kind of role well as seen in Heroes and America Horror Story, he is on Broadway now, so Quinto has range. Peck does not.

Why not? Her motivation should become more apparent, allowing the audience to understand her point of view, rather than just "Boo, she's bad because she made Spock kill Kirk."

Sometimes some characters are just better been that mean girl in high school we all knew and hated. this is who tpring was in tos.

What I feel may be a thing is that, the writers feel they need to correct all the dated parts about TOS . example, uhura was just a blank slate and the black lady that answered the phone, so she is deserving of that children of the comet episode, but they could be over doing it with other characters like Tpring and Chapel. Chapel or even Laan.

Chapel now is basically Kirk who has had his conquest. Also if they wanted to make any legacy character bisexual , they could have saved it Janice Rand not Chapel. Also has Laan every smiled or laughed once on this show? She always has a angry hard face on all the time. are they doing this because TOS women always looked so soft, ready to fall into a man's hand so quickly.