Is this a faithful prequel to TOS?

[Tuskin38]

After First Contact, Voyager 4-26 "Hope and Fear" introduced the "fake" Dauntless NX-01-A that everyone thought was real until the big "got'cha" reveal. Fast forward 3 years later, and we get the Enterprise NX-01. How do you recon this?

It was a retcon, not a change to the timeline.
Someone on the writing staff either forgot about the Dauntless, didn't care, or someone higher up overruled them

Seven of Nine somehow has first hand knowledge of the 21st century events of FC via the Borg Collective. It's referenced twice, first in Year of Hell, and then later in Relativity.

She outright said in YoH that 'The Borg were present for those events', when explaining why she knows the name of the Phoenix.

 

[UssGlenn]

After First Contact, Voyager 4-26 "Hope and Fear" introduced the "fake" Dauntless NX-01-A that everyone thought was real until the big "got'cha" reveal. Fast forward 3 years later, and we get the Enterprise NX-01. How do you recon this?

easy, that episode took place in a timeline before the events of First Contact changed the name of the ship. I'm aware the Movie had already come out two years before. You could even say the changes hadn't propagated out to the Delta Quadrant yet.

also Starfleet changed registry systems, so The NX01 dauntless could still exist as the first Federation starship

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

It was a retcon, not a change to the timeline.
Someone on the writing staff either forgot about the Dauntless, didn't care, or someone higher up overruled them

Seven of Nine somehow has first hand knowledge of the 21st century events of FC via the Borg Collective. It's referenced twice, first in Year of Hell, and then later in Relativity.

She outright said in YoH that 'The Borg were present for those events', when explaining why she knows the name of the Phoenix.

I think the ending of ENT "Regeneration" tried to make this make sense.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

easy, that episode took place in a timeline before the events of First Contact changed the name of the ship. I'm aware the Movie had already come out two years before. You could even say the changes hadn't propagated out to the Delta Quadrant yet.

also Starfleet changed registry systems, so The NX01 dauntless could still exist as the first Federation starship

The episode takes place in 2374, the Borg sphere and Ent-E went back in 2373.
One explanation was that the Dauntless NX-01-A wasn't named after a specific ship but intended to be the first of a series of slipstream drive ships, hence the weird registration number, kind of a reset.

 

[Yistaan]

Star Trek fans have an odd need for absolutes in storytelling. "The Eugenics Wars happened on X date, here's the entry in the Star Trek Chronology, cross-referenced with the Star Trek Encyclopedia and the Greg Cox novel series!"

But Strange New Worlds is being very deliberate in that they've left the option open for fans to treat it as a separate timeline should they want to, but they won't ever explicitly say so. Later in season two, "Those Old Scientists" crosses Lower Decks, explicitly tied into TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT, with Strange New Worlds and... it's treated as if everything is fine and as it should be (with the exception of Spock, and that is played as him going through something never put into his logs). So it's left up to the individual viewer to decide with no wrong answer and I'm not sure Trekkies are good with ambiguity

I suppose with observers from the Relatively and guys like Daniels, all significant timelime shifts just get shifted back eventually. It's just a matter of time.

Things like Khan's birthdate change is just like a temporal yo-yo. Even the Kelvin Timelime may only have a limited lifespan.(if they don't make anymore films, it might as well have been rendered defunct)

Even Sera from that SNW episode (you know, if you've seen it) said the timelime always wants to heal itself back to the way it was.

Temporal Investigations: Admiral Picard, do you have ANY idea how much damage your leaving Cristobal Rios in the 21st century did to the timeline and almost destroyed the existence of the Federation?

Picard: What do you mean? Guinan told me that he got laid with that local lady and died smoking a cigar.

Temporal Investigations: We told her to tell you that until we were ready to reveal the truth to you. I guess we might as well tell you now...

(21st century)
Rios: Hey, you said your name was Khan? Say, you wouldn't, uh, happen to be genetically engineered or anything? (to himself: Should I kill this guy now and save everyone the trouble? And why can't I remember clearly if Khan was supposed to be around now or in the 1990s?)

Khan: Yep, I have superior ability. Watch me jump down this rooftop with no injury at all!

Rios: What no wait! (Khan jumps off a roof in an overestimation of his augment abilities and promptly dies)

Teresa: He's dead Cris.

(Temporal Investigations Agent beams in)

DTI Agent: You IDIOT! We are now ordering you Captain Rios to use the 'Gabriel Bell' method to restore the timeline. You are now Khan Noonien Singh and we are currently injecting you with augment enhancements. You now need to spend the next decade or so taking over a quarter of the world, starting a Eugenics war to kill millions, and escape with other augments on the Botany Bay. You remember your Kirk studies from the Academy? You need to try to hijack the Enterprise, **** their historian, get marooned on Ceti Alpha 5 for over 15 years, put worms in Chekov's ear, steal the Genesis Project, and kill Spock. We are also sending you separate instructions in case another temporal distortion has you woken up by some guy called Admiral Marcus instead.

Rios: Wait what? No no no...

DTI Agent: Also you and Teresa better start getting into bed and producing a kid who will become the ancestor of La'an Noonien Singh.

Teresa:

DTI Agent: Ok we've injected you with augment genes and given you Khan's identity papers move along, you have a lot of acting work to get started on, not to mention brushing up on your Academy history studies so you can accurately recreate Khan's battles with Kirk.

Rios: No no no... I made a mistake ever staying in this century!!!!

 

[Dukhat]

It feels like TOS, which is much more important to me than "looking" like TOS.

It feels like a reboot of TOS, which is why it looks like it does. Whether it ‘feels like TOS’ would be up to anyone’s individual personal idea of what TOS is actually supposed to feel like.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It feels like a reboot of TOS, which is why it looks like it does. Whether it ‘feels like TOS’ would be up to anyone’s individual personal idea of what TOS is actually supposed to feel like.

yup

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

After First Contact, Voyager 4-26 "Hope and Fear" introduced the "fake" Dauntless NX-01-A that everyone thought was real until the big "got'cha" reveal. Fast forward 3 years later, and we get the Enterprise NX-01. How do you recon this?

My theory (and I don't expect anyone in production ever thought about it this much) has always been that there was a period when the Federation desperately needed ships and pulled Enterprise out of mothballs. There already was an Enterprise in service, so they renamed the NX-01 to the Dauntless. This is when the refit we see in PIC3 happened. When the crisis ended, they put the Dauntless in a museum and changed the name back to Enterprise. The guy who made the fake Dauntless had incomplete and outdated information from the period of that crisis that called it the USS Dauntless NX-01, and Voyager's crew viewed it as a historical throwback.

 

[Dukhat]

My theory (and I don't expect anyone in production ever thought about it this much) has always been that there was a period when the Federation desperately needed ships and pulled Enterprise out of mothballs. There already was an Enterprise in service, so they renamed the NX-01 to the Dauntless. This is when the refit we see in PIC3 happened. When the crisis ended, they put the Dauntless in a museum and changed the name back to Enterprise. The guy who made the fake Dauntless had incomplete and outdated information from the period of that crisis that called it the USS Dauntless NX-01, and Voyager's crew viewed it as a historical throwback.

The ‘NX’ in NX-01 Enterprise was its class. Which was why the Challenger’s registry was NX-02 and not NCC-02. Earth ships had different registry schemes. So there could also have been a Federation Starfleet NX-01 Dauntless of the Dauntless class which was completely independent of the Earth NX class.

 

[The Wormhole]

My theory (and I don't expect anyone in production ever thought about it this much) has always been that there was a period when the Federation desperately needed ships and pulled Enterprise out of mothballs. There already was an Enterprise in service, so they renamed the NX-01 to the Dauntless. This is when the refit we see in PIC3 happened.

Thing is, in S2 of Picard we see Picard had a model of the refit when he was a child.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

The ‘NX’ in NX-01 Enterprise was its class. Which was why the Challenger’s registry was NX-02 and not NCC-02. Earth ships had different registry schemes. So there could also have been a Federation Starfleet NX-01 Dauntless of the Dauntless class which was completely independent of the Earth NX class.

On the one hand, good catch, but on the other hand, wouldn't that be confusing to have two NX-01's?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Only if it visits the ship museum.

 

[Ronald Held]

More like an (unneeded) reboot of TOS.

 

[HotRod]

More like an (unneeded) reboot of TOS.

Is anything really *needed*? Still an amazing prequel to TOS and the best Trek in decades.

 

[Yistaan]

More like an (unneeded) reboot of TOS.

Honestly if there were the budget and the time I wouldn't have put it past the showrunners to do SNW themselves back in the 1960s. The Menagerie dialogue almost sounds like a blatant advertisement for a prequel show even.

Kirk: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
Spock: Eleven years, four months, five days.

Paramount could literally just add a banner ad when that line plays at the bottom of the screen saying "Watch Strange New Worlds to learn more about Spock's adventures with Pike!" and it wouldn't look out of place.

 

[Ronald Held]

Could they have the current budget and will to make SNW look and feel like WNMHGH?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Could they have the current budget and will to make SNW look and feel like WNMHGH?

The producers back in the 1960s making a prequel? Trek was already an expensive show to make, so I’m not sure they’d want a second one.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Honestly if there were the budget and the time I wouldn't have put it past the showrunners to do SNW themselves back in the 1960s. The Menagerie dialogue almost sounds like a blatant advertisement for a prequel show even.

Kirk: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
Spock: Eleven years, four months, five days.

Paramount could literally just add a banner ad when that line plays at the bottom of the screen saying "Watch Strange New Worlds to learn more about Spock's adventures with Pike!" and it wouldn't look out of place.

I always assumed "The Menagerie" served two purposes: make the 1st pilot canon, make two episodes with the production and budget of one due to recycled pilot footage.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I always assumed "The Menagerie" served two purposes: make the 1st pilot canon, make two episodes with the production and budget of one due to recycled pilot footage.

More number two than one. "Canon" was hardly a thing back then. Continuity was only slightly more important.

 

[fireproof78]

I always assumed "The Menagerie" served two purposes: make the 1st pilot canon, make two episodes with the production and budget of one due to recycled pilot footage.

Just one purpose: save money.