Spock Character Thread

[Yistaan]

You may not like the kelvin cast but please there is a fine line between not liking a cast and trying to down play the actors.

I don't dislike the Kelvin cast. But you're trying to make them sound like acting gods that Mount and Peck should get on their knees and worship. They're good at their jobs but the acting in the Kelvin films isn't anything special. Very few performances are to be honest. That's why film awards for best actor/actress often end up feeling so arbitrary.

Also keep in mind that you yourself admitted only the 2009 film is really good in your opinion (I myself think only Beyond is good). All these acting gods you mention couldn't carry the 2nd film due to its sheer absurdity and the 3rd film fell relatively flat with the general audience (despite in my opinion being quite good). So that's 1 out of 3? Meanwhile you're bashing Mount and Peck solely on a tv show that has a much more grueling schedule and less time for rehearsals and rewrites. It's not fair to them period.

 

[fireproof78]

Usually I dont like reddit as much because things can get too intense there, but I think they have a point with this one.

Laan has some of the same annoying character traits as the purple hair lady from last jedi. (Amilyn Holdo) who turned out to the the worst character in that movie.

Hahaha...oh, you're serious.

Not seeing much crossover there.

Neither can I. Holdo needed more development but she was a fine character. La'an is interesting in her own right. Likely will get more interesting with the season going on.

 

[T'Bonz]

I really liked Greenwood as Pike, but Mount is a close second.

Quinto would have been a great Spock; he was wasted in the movies by the bad writing. I'm fine with Peck though.

Gooding gets the nod over Saldana.

 

[GNDN18]

That's just part of his job as Chief Exposition Officer.

On board the USS Exposition Park:

 

[dupersuper]

La'an just comes off as overbearing. Pike was mighty tolerant of her storming the bridge during the Gorn episode and giving him orders. Kirk would have slapped that down in a heartbeat- actually, she would have known better than to try it with Kirk, lest she be snapped back like an academy plebe.

Nah: Kirk's smart enough to listen to people who obviously know what they're talking about.

Pike is smarter than Kirk..

Pike's great, but let's not get crazy.

Hahaha...oh, you're serious.


Neither can I. Holdo needed more development but she was a fine character. La'an is interesting in her own right. Likely will get more interesting with the season going on.

I'd say Holdo was a ridiculous character who inspired a mutiny, but yeah: she was a regal resistance leader who had none of the stoicism or traumatic past of La'an, and was far higher in the hierarchy. I don't get the comparison either.

 

[johnnybear]

I always got the feeling from Amok Time that Spock and T'Pring probably hadn't seen each other since their betrothal at childhood and this apparent love affair scenario puts doubt on the events on Vulcan during Kirk's command!
JB

 

[Mudd]

Well, "getting a feeling" is not a basis for a continuity discussion.

Nor does the current relationship between the characters put any doubt on the events of "Amok Time."

 

[Mudd]

Nah: Kirk's smart enough to listen to people who obviously know what they're talking about.



Pike's great, but let's not get crazy.

Right.

Explain Kirk nearly getting his ship blown out from under him during his first encounter with Khan in TWOK - his subordinate warned him and there was no good reason to ignore the relevant regulation. None.

 

[fireproof78]

I always got the feeling from Amok Time that Spock and T'Pring probably hadn't seen each other since their betrothal at childhood and this apparent love affair scenario puts doubt on the events on Vulcan during Kirk's command!
JB

And? Feeling doesn't make fact.

Lots of assumptions here.

 

[valden]

I always got the feeling from Amok Time that Spock and T'Pring probably hadn't seen each other since their betrothal at childhood and this apparent love affair scenario puts doubt on the events on Vulcan during Kirk's command!
JB

not really, I think this may be one of the things in snw that will wrap up well in tos.

I think the next time we see trping in snw, she will ask that she and spock take a break and explore other things or other relationships. Spock will agree to this however he will forget about tpring in the process for like 5-10 years until she shows up again in amok time, hence her anger and rage at him and her choosing Stonn in the end.

 

[TRON JA307020]

not really, I think this may be one of the things in snw that will wrap up well in tos.

I think the next time we see trping in snw, she will ask that she and spock take a break and explore other things or other relationships. Spock will agree to this however he will forget about tpring in the process for like 5-10 years until she shows up again in amok time, hence her anger and rage at him and her choosing Stonn in the end.

That would work. A good ten years and Spock would just dive into his work for starfleet all the while getting more famous.

 

[Rainard Fox]

By film school standard, this acting scene from Bruce Greenwood as Pike in star trek 2009. he will stand a better chance at getting an oscar nomination for best supporting actor than mount will ever be for a best supporting actor emmy performance.

As for personal experience. I liked ST-2009 because I was very hungry for Trek news back then, but I forgot that Pike was there about a few minutes after the end credits. I also didn't find anything in common between Hunter's and Greenwood's versions (what can not be said about the Kenney's and Greenwood's). I'm sorry.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes I know a lot about what goes in film school.

Which doesn't answer the question.

By film school standard

Which standards are those? I was under the impression that "film schools" covered the more technical aspects of film making. Direction. writing, sound lighting, editing and that sort of thing.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Right.

Explain Kirk nearly getting his ship blown out from under him during his first encounter with Khan in TWOK - his subordinate warned him and there was no good reason to ignore the relevant regulation. None.

Actually, it was Spock that shut her down in that moment, when it should have been Spock either reminding Kirk or just issuing the order himself. He was captain of the ship, after all.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Which doesn't answer the question.

Which standards are those? I was under the impression that "film schools" covered the more technical aspects of film making. Direction. writing, sound lighting, editing and that sort of thing.

Also, film school is SCHOOL. The place and process of learning abut the things listed above. I don't understand how school itself can be asserted as a standard (although they often are). It's the foundation for any professional and artistic growth, not the arbiter of how things should be always be done or judged. New technologies change a lot of what can be done for one thing. Also if OP was talking about acting, that's a different kind of school

 

[Yistaan]

Actually, it was Spock that shut her down in that moment, when it should have been Spock either reminding Kirk or just issuing the order himself. He was captain of the ship, after all.

McCoy: And once I heard about that, I was like, "Spock, you should have let her talk. She was right! Your arrogance cost all of us including you dying and me having to suffer with your katra." Spock just kept getting duller and duller after that.

Scotty: And that's not even getting into what I heard about that Romulan scumbag Pardek playing Spock for a fool for 80 years!

McCoy: You said it! Spock's in his own world now, so don't do anything foolish like help him try to stop supernovae by replacing them with black holes or some other nonsense.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Uhura better not meet T'pring..
She literally asks who is she to Spock in Tos.
And if Spock is in horny time.. Chapel would know and would know what is going on in Tos.

Not necessarily. Perhaps Spock got back to Vulcan to marry T'Pring in time and Chapel had no idea.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Vulcan does seem to look as it did in TOS/movies and ENT.

Vulcan is always shown at Sunset on Discovery and SNW.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

It's not stated in dialogue, but rather in a production memo from Dorothy Fontana protesting the revision of the seduction scene in "The Enterprise Incident," quoted in an extended footnote on page 246 of the Ninth Printing (September, 1976) of David Gerrold's THE WORLD OF STAR TREK.

Fontana writes: "Sc. 93---seduction scene---Spock and Commander. Vulcans and Romulans have been firmly established as cool, unemotional creatures. True, Spock is half human---but only under the most extreme circumstances will he behave in any manner other than Vulcan. We have established that Vulcans do not nuzzle, kiss, hug or display any other form of human affection. The Vulcan outward sign of affection is expressed in a certain touching of hands as demonstrated in " Journey to Babel." If Spock behaves in such outlandishly human manner as is indicated in this scene, he violates the character we have established for him and the culture he comes from. And the Commander had jolly well be suspicious if Spock starts slobbering all over her. Their seduction scene should be cool, suggesting an alien sexuality---but not human passion."

So, while this statement is from a production memo, and technically not canon, it is from the writer of "Journey to Babel" and "Yesteryear," and shows her thinking on the subject, and in light of this note, hence my comment 26 days ago that Dorothy Fontana must be spinning in her grave.

No, it doesn't contradict canon, whatever definition that term has on whatever particular day of the week you choose. It does contradict intent and previous characterization and behind the scenes lore. Now, whether SNW creators should take into account production discussions of 54 years vintage is another question entirely.

For my credits, they can do as they like. My only care is whether they execute their ideas well. I consider myself a post-Canonist. Canonical status is not a guarantee of whether an idea or interpretation is an intelligent one.

Again, I am stoked for this series. Only a couple of bits of pre-release publicity have given me pause, but not enough to derail my enthusiasm or turn me into a deranged hater. If I can survive "And The Children Shall Lead" and "Plato's Stepchildren," I think I can deal with whatever curveballs SNW tries to throw at me.

Sooooo. The Romulan Commader, a cool, unemotional creature, flings herself headlong at Spock 15 minutes after meeting him. Sounds cool and unemotional to me. Just because Fontana says it does not mean the final production reflects it. The Commander obviously believed that she was so special Spock wouldn't be able to resist her. He did so with ease.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

He was a role model. His character became more popular than Kirk. His emotionless state is what made him such a good officer. He has loyalty and cares about his friends abd comrades. He's also extremely intelligent. Basically the perfect officer.

Spock has not, and does not live in an emotionless state.