Spock Character Thread

[Voodoowoman2]

6/10 is my score.
Don't still like much of the Ortega character. Also Nurse Chapel seems to be the girl who I see lots of negative backlash coming in the future. Of all the female characters to have gotten a central story, has it romance related. Unless of course she escapes this criticism because she is the hot blonde.

Comparing Nurse Chapel to her TOS self, I think it was way too soon to address her been in love with Spock on this show. She has been coming on to him since the first episode, usually when writers do this- their end goal is to address something or a plot point and get rid of it ASAP.

I would have loved to see Chapel fall in love with Spock in the last season of the show that will lead directly to TOS. The only other reason maybe they are addressing this story so soon, may be because they may want to fully explore Chapel bisexuality more in the later seasons, this of course will happen after Spock's breaks her heart maybe for Leia Kemoni, who Spock has to meet at least 2 years from now.

Lastly I don't like they are making Tpring so sympathetic. I would not mind feeling sympathic towards her as long she they continue to show Spock's neglect of her and they do introduce Stonn, so we can see how she fell in love with Stonn. We the audience need to see this, not the crew or Spock.

Chapel is not bisexual. She was acting out by flirting with a "female" (who knows?) in anger probably at the way a man treated her. She now figures. "Ok. I'll be casual too." The "female" got ticked, took her silly flirtation seriously and trouble erupted. Chapel states. "It was a misunderstanding. It was only once." Chapel is straight.

 

[Jinn]

Chapel is not bisexual. She was acting out by flirting with a "female" (who knows?) in anger probably at the way a man treated her. She now figures. "Ok. I'll be casual too." The "female" got ticked, took her silly flirtation seriously and trouble erupted. Chapel states. "It was a misunderstanding. It was only once." Chapel is straight.

 

[Mudd]

Chapel is not bisexual. She was acting out by flirting with a "female" (who knows?) in anger probably at the way a man treated her. She now figures. "Ok. I'll be casual too." The "female" got ticked, took her silly flirtation seriously and trouble erupted. Chapel states. "It was a misunderstanding. It was only once." Chapel is straight.

Yeah, no.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Spock has not, and does not live in an emotionless state.

Yes he does most of the time. Because he's half human he tends to be try much harder to be more disciplined than other vulcans and tries harder to keep his emotions hidden. Yes he has emotions but more times than not he keeps them buried.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Spock has not, and does not live in an emotionless state.

Do you not know how to multi-quote? Consecutive posts are considered SPAM and you’ve been here long enough to know that. A warning could be given but my Christmas cheer hasn’t worn off yet.

 

[Tuskin38]

Chapel is not bisexual.

This version is.

 

[TRON JA307020]

This version is.

Who knows. She seemed to only like men in TOS. Except for that throwaway line until I see Chapel having a full blown relationship with a female on the show I will reserve judgement.

 

[Tuskin38]

She seemed to only like men in TOS

So? It was the 60s.
Bisexuals can have a bias towards one or the other too.

 

[Vger23]

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t think Quinto or Peck have come close enough to getting Spock “right” for my taste. In TOS, Nimoy had this amazing, extremely balanced way of walking the line of the character’s “two worlds” duality. He was incredibly guarded and insecure about letting any of his humanity or even elements of his Vulcan culture be known.

In the later versions, this balance seems to have been lost.

I like them both, but they don’t really come across as “real Spock” to me.

Admittedly it’s tough shoes to fill…maybe the toughest in show business.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t think Quinto or Peck have come close enough to getting Spock “right” for my taste. In TOS, Nimoy had this amazing, extremely balanced way of walking the line of the character’s “two worlds” duality. He was incredibly guarded and insecure about letting any of his humanity or even elements of his Vulcan culture be known.

In the later versions, this balance seems to have been lost.

I like them both, but they don’t really come across as “real Spock” to me.

Admittedly it’s tough shoes to fill…maybe the toughest in show business.

Peck is doing a much better job than Quinto. I think we are seeing him mature more on SNW so he should be more nimoy like in a few years. I hope.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah this is Spock 6 years before TOS starts.

 

[Mudd]

Peck's version of Spock is my current favorite. Quinto hasn't left much of an impression; he's too much like Nimoy.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Dorothy must be spinning in her grave with the kissing scene, unless context in the actual show makes it better. Vulcans are not supposed show affection by kissing, but rather by the two-fingered stroking gesture Sarek and Amanda demonstrated in "Journey to Babel."

Unless, perhaps, there's a story point about breaking cultural taboos or Spock and T'Pring being Vulcan kinksters.

The idea seems to be the T'Pring is trying to "get" Spock better but her kisses seem to leave him cold. She does little more than a light lip pressing never putting her arms around him or anything. Dorothy is really not in control of the scripts about Vulcans or their culture. She was only there for two years and quit.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

It's not stated in dialogue, but rather in a production memo from Dorothy Fontana protesting the revision of the seduction scene in "The Enterprise Incident," quoted in an extended footnote on page 246 of the Ninth Printing (September, 1976) of David Gerrold's THE WORLD OF STAR TREK.

Fontana writes: "Sc. 93---seduction scene---Spock and Commander. Vulcans and Romulans have been firmly established as cool, unemotional creatures. True, Spock is half human---but only under the most extreme circumstances will he behave in any manner other than Vulcan. We have established that Vulcans do not nuzzle, kiss, hug or display any other form of human affection. The Vulcan outward sign of affection is expressed in a certain touching of hands as demonstrated in " Journey to Babel." If Spock behaves in such outlandishly human manner as is indicated in this scene, he violates the character we have established for him and the culture he comes from. And the Commander had jolly well be suspicious if Spock starts slobbering all over her. Their seduction scene should be cool, suggesting an alien sexuality---but not human passion."

So, while this statement is from a production memo, and technically not canon, it is from the writer of "Journey to Babel" and "Yesteryear," and shows her thinking on the subject, and in light of this note, hence my comment 26 days ago that Dorothy Fontana must be spinning in her grave.

No, it doesn't contradict canon, whatever definition that term has on whatever particular day of the week you choose. It does contradict intent and previous characterization and behind the scenes lore. Now, whether SNW creators should take into account production discussions of 54 years vintage is another question entirely.

For my credits, they can do as they like. My only care is whether they execute their ideas well. I consider myself a post-Canonist. Canonical status is not a guarantee of whether an idea or interpretation is an intelligent one.

Again, I am stoked for this series. Only a couple of bits of pre-release publicity have given me pause, but not enough to derail my enthusiasm or turn me into a deranged hater. If I can survive "And The Children Shall Lead" and "Plato's Stepchildren," I think I can deal with whatever curveballs SNW tries to throw at me.

And yet, this would mean that in "Journey to Babel" Sarek publicly snogs his wife with the two finger gesture. I submit that this gesture is rather like a lady taking a gentleman's arm.

 

[Nyotarules]

Peck is doing a much better job than Quinto. I think we are seeing him mature more on SNW so he should be more nimoy like in a few years. I hope.

Peck needs to act like Spock, not like Nimoy doing Spock.
I don't expect all performances of the Batman or Superman character to act like the first actor to play the part.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Peck needs to act like Spock, not like Nimoy doing Spock.
I don't expect all performances of the Batman or Superman character to act like the first actor to play the part.

I meant more emotionless. He's doing Vitter than Quinto so far. Quintos Spock was a emotional basket case.

 

[fireproof78]

Even Nimoy said he played Spock as emotional but they are always restrained, not emotionless.

 

[Tuskin38]

I meant more emotionless

This is still Pre-TOS Spock. Remember the Cage, he was emotional. He was also emotional in the proper Season 1 pilot as well.

 

[Noname Given]

This is still Pre-TOS Spock. Remember the Cage, he was emotional. He was also emotional in the proper Season 1 pilot as well.

Spock was often emotional, and not just in episodes where alien spores or other influences negated his emotional control.

In TOS season 1

Where No Man Has Gone Before

The Corbomite Maneuver

Mudds Women

The Galileo Seven

Tomorrow Is Yesterday

Devil In The Dark

All have Spock scenes where he is clearly displaying an emotional response. (and yes I am leaving out all the ones where there was some external influence, or his loss of emotional control was a story aspect of a given episode.)

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I meant more emotionless. He's doing Vitter than Quinto so far. Quintos Spock was a emotional basket case.

This is a younger Spock being more on his human side. Please take a rest with this. He is not supposed to be TOS Spock yet. It's a journey he takes.