DS9 is Sisko's house, the Defiant is his car, and Rio Grande is his motorbike. Or his horse.
DS9 Questions!
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I seem to recall from Ex-Astris-Scientia what was the back area of the TNG Runabout was reused in DS9 for some rooms of the Nebula-class USS Prometheus in Second Skin. Don't know if it was ever used for anything else though.
They didn't need to AND they didn't want to.
""Let us redefine progress to mean just because we can do a thing does not necessarily follow that me must do a thing. "
"The Little Runabout That Could" by Jake Sisko. Illustrations by Molly O'Brien.
According to RHW, the genesis of the Defiant was the desire to have a set that was easier to film on. The crew was frustrated when filming because it was too difficult to pit more than two actors in a scene. It was when ISB decided that the heroes needed more firepower to fight the Dominion that the new runabout became the new starship.
Yeah it's fascinating looking at the concept art and seeing the ship grow over time. Originally it just looks like a big runabout and then it gets more gnarly and scary looking and then they softened it back. I originally thought the Defiant was going to be like Galaxy-class sized. I was shocked at how "small" it was. Then it shot the shit out of the Jem Hadar ship with it's gatling gun phasers and I was onboard.
Ah ha! We never got the crew lounge on DS9, because they found the Runabout set to be too small, not wanting a second small set?
You're not wrong! Here's another way to break up the show.
S1-2: train station in space.
S3: Ooooo, they have a warship, the Defiant!
S4: Worf and the Klingons!!!
S5: Things going hot with the Dominion, oh, and FC uniforms.
S6-7: Dominion War
Voyager, on the other hand...
S1-3: the Kes years.
S4: the Seven years.
You're drawing a line between two things that aren't necessarily connected.
Why?
1. We (almost) never see the rear section of the Runabouts in DS9.
2. Wolfe said they "wanted a ship in which they could send more people out on an adventure".
Those are two facts. You're assuming one directly leads into the other; that we didn't see the rear for two full seasons because they thought the ship was too small.
2. Wolfe said they "wanted a ship in which they could send more people out on an adventure".
Those are two facts. You're assuming one directly leads into the other; that we didn't see the rear for two full seasons because they thought the ship was too small.
It was never seen on DS9, just TNG's "Timescape."
#1 Bad thoughts said, "According to RHW, the genesis of the Defiant was the desire to have a set that was easier to film on. The crew was frustrated when filming because it was too difficult to pit more than two actors in a scene. It was when ISB decided that the heroes needed more firepower to fight the Dominion that the new runabout became the new starship."
#2 The rear room was seen at the end of TNG's 6th season, so DS9 had only been on for 1 season.
A tiny piece of it is seen in The Visitor.
I'm talking about the two years of DS9 before the Defiant showed up.
Re: #1 Yes. I don't disagree with the reference. It says nothing regarding why the rear of the Runabout wasn't featured on DS9.
Are you sure? Time index?
I'm only talking about DS9 S2. The set didn't exist yet in S1, and the Defiant showed up in the S3 premiere, so in hindsight, S2 would make the most sense for the rear lounge to be see like it was on TNG with the set being a recent build.
Bad thoughts said, "According to RHW, the genesis of the Defiant was the desire to have a set that was easier to film on. The crew was frustrated when filming because it was too difficult to pit more than two actors in a scene. It was when ISB decided that the heroes needed more firepower to fight the Dominion that the new runabout became the new starship."
This literally explains it
I think you think I'm arguing something that I am not.
The point I am attempting to make is that there was no stated connection between the want for a bigger space and any reason why they never used the rear section for that purpose.
We evidently are misunderstanding each other so I'll bow out from here on. I've got some Cobra Kai to watch.
If one set is "too small," logic would dictate the other small set will also be "too small."I think you think I'm arguing something that I am not.
The point I am attempting to make is that there was no stated connection between the want for a bigger space and any reason why they never used the rear section for that purpose.
We evidently are misunderstanding each other so I'll bow out from here on. I've got some Cobra Kai to watch.
So many hands went into designing the Defiant that it is really impossible to fit it into a single agenda. Suffice it to say that once the sets for the Defiant was built, the Runabout as a plot device had little use. It was great for one set where everything was concentrated, two or three characters in a cramped area, or something to sacrifice. If you want your story to be a road trip with Garak, you don't want your characters on opposite sides of the vehicle.
Nice post, but what did it have to do with my comments?
It makes sense to me that the Defiant would be relatively small. As long as they can support their weapons systems, a smaller ship is quicker to maneuver and accelerate and more effective.
WW II battleships were huge to make a stable platform for the big ship's guns that had range in many miles. Aircraft carriers were huge to make a useable flight deck. Now that guided missiles have much longer range than WW II guns as well as more accurate, the case for the battleship is gone. Galaxy classes are big for lots of science labs and a big crew to make a 5-year mission more tolerable, but they're not as good at fighting as a Defiant.
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