"Starfleet Academy" - The Show
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I do like the idea of an older cadet and also the idea of members of planetary militaries intergrating their people into Starfleet. Like the old Rapid Intergration Program from the FASA TNG manual. It could be a nice change from the teen angst.
But I do demand LOTS of term angst.
But I do demand LOTS of term angst.
I would prefer the 26th century myself. Hopefully with a Romulan main character.
Well, we already know that Prime McCoy went to the University of Mississippi ten years beforehand for pre-Med (Trials and Tribble-ations), and that he was a full-fledged Doctor by 2253 (Lifesigns), so I'd those datapoints are true in Kelvin Land, then McCoy was already a highly qualified, educated doctor just going through some type of commissioning program teaching him how to be an officer and work in Starfleet. He probably didn't go to Starfleet Medical Academy (Bashir's alma mater), and his high rank might be based on his civilian credentials.
Damn, I hadn't thought of that. I'm not sure that's a show I'd watch. I adore the character, but it's not a timeperiod I'd want this series to be set in.
Yeah. The 32nd century is the least interesting of the options, aside from ENT era.
I feel like Starfleet Academy is going to bring its own style to any time period it ends up in. Which is good, because I really wouldn't be keen on watching a series that takes place in the oppressively cold and sterile virtual set seen in Discovery.
I think a lot of missteps have been made so far in the 32nd century. It has a lot of promise, but I get the feeling Discovery's production crew spend a lot of time congratulating each other instead of looking critically at what they're doing. It's just a guess. But it doesn't have a feel of "I don't give a damn" so much as "hey look what i did!" "You're doing great!" "Yeah you are too!" "We're doing great!"
I could be wrong. I feel like one day the true behind-the-scenes story of Discovery may be more interesting than the show itself.
I could be wrong. I feel like one day the true behind-the-scenes story of Discovery may be more interesting than the show itself.
I would actually love the ENT era. Big fan of the show and the era. I'm mostly done with the TNG/DS9/VOY era at the moment.
It's Star Trek. Even if it's the 31st century, they could end up somehow hanging out with cadets from the 23rd century.
The virtual set isn't going anywhere. It's a new tech lots of productions will use.
The era is fine. The idea of an academy show during Enterprise is unappealing because Starfleet would still be fledgling.
Oh I have no problem whatsoever with the technology, I love that AR wall. I meant the 3D environment displayed on it was sterile and off-putting.
To each their own.
A) Starfleet isn't a pure military, and the best example of why it isn't a pure military is because of how technical ability supersedes title.
B) Your CEO example is partially right and radically wrong. You don't become CEO for being there the longest, you become CEO because you are by far the most competent with the best body of work.
The federation has shown that it isn't a rigid organization.
There's never been anything to suggest that TNG Obrien was any less educated than a modern day engineer. Continuous education is a requirement of being in starfleet not just an option.
From what we've seen he isn't a officer largely by choice. There's never been any indication he lacked the discipline, knowledge or competence to become an officer.
From what we've seen it's likely to do with some benefit being assigned to being a noncom. Likely due to his experiences during the war, having a family, or just an intolerance for bureaucracy.
It seems perfectly rational that this attitude changed over time or by simply being at the academy.
If it turns into a teen drama it'll be a absolute dumpster fire of garbage.
The baseline assumption you have to make with an academy series is that you can't assume just because someone is young that they are irresponsible vapid people who are looking for cheap pleasures.
The mission of the story has to be out to prove there are real depths and strengths that come along with youth.
If you watch Lower Decks and pay attention to the Seto Jaxa arc it is simply amazing. She goes from a kid busted for doing a daredevil stunt, to a someone who stands up for herself and ends up doing the ultimate sacrifice.
To me it makes sense if you have duality between the campus instructors and the students.
The instructors are more gruff, burned out from living on ships and want to take it easy on earth.
They are moving on and wish to pass the torch to a younger generation. One of the more tiresome themes in trek is the idea that everyone more or less is in their early 30s or at least acts like they are in their early 30s. It'd be nice if age could be explored for more than 2 episodes a season.
Not in some hokey young people have fun old people are boring type of way. But more along the lines of older people are starting fresh on earth as instructors, older people who are trying to move on from their past mistakes, people who are interested in nurturing the younger generations.
It'd be nice if we had more of a master craftmen apprentice relationship going on. Much like we saw with Obiwan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker.
You got a bit of this in the movie Dune. The lead is a black slate who is suppose to be the chosen one. While the older people like guerny are painfully aware the kid is not ready, and know they won't be around to make him ready. Those tensions for me made Dune amazing it was so refreshing. Instead of propagating this fantasy that age is an irrelevant part of life.
I'd also add there'd need to be a great importance placed on field exercises. Obviously to keep it from being boring, but also because it would help in exploring some of those intergenerational ideas. We've seen a great deal of this with O'brien and Nog.
Also it should be noted that not everyone at the academy is 18. It'd be interesting if we had non com's or just life long slackers trying to start their lives over at the academy.
I do also think it's important to really lock into the idea of youthful ambition. We the audience are seeing everything for the first time and so are they. They should be the naturally gifted types but also the ones without experience. The instructors should be the more relatable people who've had to face their limitations more directly. I.e. Similar to early Bashir versus late seasons O'brien.
It also has the ability to be more realistic in people's appearance. You have an obvious sex appeal with younger actors, you don't need to handpick that 1 women who at 25 can play an role of a 35 year old, while at the same time looks like they are 20.
T'pol comes to mind as the pinnacle of this. Her counterparts are in their 40s and she's in her 20s.
If you want sex appeal have characters that make sense. Have them being the junior officers.
The flip side is hiring women who are actually in their late 40s early 50s, who actually look like they are in that age range.
For me it is just not credible when all your women have to be played by women in their 20s when their roles on the crew should be played by people in their 40s.
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