Alex Kurtzman on streaming movies and the future of Trek

[Phily B]

If that were true, I wouldn't have to hear "Nicholas Meyer" every time you point out Star Trek should hire science fiction writers with a track record of producing science fiction because you'd have more than one example from forty years ago. I consider TWoK to be like the Abramsverse movies, with the same criticisms.

Meanwhile, we should just point to Stuart Baird who produced a movie so bad and nonsensical it killed the franchise and whose stars have made a convention bit out of them hating him.

 

[Nerys Myk]

His job is to sell Star Trek. He should be pushing the product with every word coming out of his mouth. If he wasn't, he'd be incompetent for sure.

 

[Phily B]

Then ignore it.

It's hard to ignore it when a show you enjoy watching is cancelled and then six months later a universally hated movie is released and then they just go on about their way with absolutely no repercussions or anything learned.

 

[Danja]

It's hard to ignore it when a show you enjoy watching is cancelled and then six months later a universally hated movie is released and then they just go on about their way with absolutely no repercussions or anything learned.

What's your ideal Trek?

You don't like Kurtzman. You don't like Meyer. What DO you want?

What the "lessons" that you want Kurtzman to have learned? Let's air them out.

That so-called "universally hated" movie that you speak of had been in development for the previous seven years.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"Knows Star Trek" is a mixed bag. Sometimes it works. (First Contact). Sometimes it doesn't (Final Frontier)

 

[Phily B]

What's your ideal Trek?

You don't like Kurtzman. You don't like Meyer. What DO you want?

What the "lessons" that you want Kurtzman to have learned? Let's air them out.

Who said I don't like Meyer? I'm pointing out that we've been hearing "NICHOLAS MEYER" for the past few decades whenever we point out that maybe they should try hiring people passionate about science fiction and, as a bonus, Star Trek. There's a reason you still shout "NICHOLAS MEYER" and that's cause he's the exception.

There are a dozen or so out there who have had great success but were ran out of the franchise. The best sci-fi shows in recent years have all gotten guys on board with a background and interest in that area - The Expanse was one of the best shows produced in decades on a relatively limited budget with a ex-Trek guy running the show and the novelists supporting.

 

[Danja]

"Knows Star Trek" is a mixed bag. Sometimes it works. (First Contact). Sometimes it doesn't (Final Frontier)

Final Frontier, Nemesis ...

 

[Danja]

maybe they should try hiring people passionate about science fiction and, as a bonus, Star Trek.

What kind of science fiction? Dark, dystopian Alien-style science fiction? (Picard got grief in S1 for going down that road.)

The best sci-fi shows in recent years have all gotten guys on board with a background and interest in that area - The Expanse was one of the best shows produced in decades on a relatively limited budget with a ex-Trek guy running the show and the novelists supporting.

When Trek goes there, the Fandom Menace pitches a fit ("No! No! No! It's too dark! It's not Trek!" )

 

[Phily B]

Cut because you broke the formating

Picard S1 got grief because the tone was mean spirited and the decisions to kill characters the way they did offered nothing to the larger story nor had any real repercussions. Personally, I thought killing off Iched was fine because I don't care and he's a pointless character, so may as well give Seven some motivation. But killing Hugh and his project was the perfect example of what not to do, what was the point? It made everyone involved - characters and writers - look stupid and callous. I don't want to watch Star Trek and feel an overwhelming sense of dread and sadness cause of the selfish actions of the characters. In fact I think the Hugh stuff might be the worst thing to have come out of Picard, almost as much as his family stuff.

The Expanse isn't good because it is "dark" - which it isn't. For All Mankind would have been a great Trek show too - it captures a lot of the optimism of Star Trek more than KurtzTrek.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I blocked a chap before because he was telling me to get a life and calling me a liar cause it would have been much much easier for me to insult him back. Can you throw him a warning please?

Please quote or report said chap.

 

[Phily B]

Please quote or report said chap.

If anyone wants to report me then do me a favour - don't waste the mods time, just tell me and I'll block you. Sorted.

 

[James Cole]

Perhaps NuTrek is succeeding in spite of Alex Kurtzman, not because of him.

His last two non-Star Trek projects (CLARICE, MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH) have been memory holed from streaming. The Universal Dark Universe? Failed, even with Tom Cruise

Star Trek might not need the tone of THE EXPANSE, but it sure could use the quality of writing. Some posters here keep insisting on their bad faith, cringe, nihilistic Terry Matalas cult jokes, but 12 MONKEYS was a great genre show as well.

The by and large apparent failure of S31 is managing to break through even into the mainstream media. Alex Kurtzman's contract renewal under new Paramount ownership is far from guaranteed, no matter what some people here might like.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If anyone wants to report me then do me a favour - don't waste the mods time, just tell me and I'll block you. Sorted.

Okay, that one. You were putting words in the poster's mouth. What they actually said wasn't actionable.

 

[Phily B]

Okay, that one. You were putting words in the poster's mouth. What they actually said wasn't actionable.

I would say telling someone to get a life is getting personal, but I'll only report them if they call me very smart.

 

[Phily B]

Perhaps NuTrek is succeeding in spite of Alex Kurtzman, not because of him.

His last two non-Star Trek projects (CLARICE, MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH) have been memory holed from streaming. The Universal Dark Universe? Failed, even with Tom Cruise

Star Trek might not need the tone of THE EXPANSE, but it sure could use the quality of writing. Some posters here keep insisting on their bad faith, cringe, nihilistic Terry Matalas cult jokes, but 12 MONKEYS was a great genre show as well.

The by and large apparent failure of S31 is managing to break through even into the mainstream media. Alex Kurtzman's contract renewal under new Paramount ownership is far from guaranteed, no matter what some people here might like.

We had to put up with years of gaslighting over Rick Berman in almost the exact same way, the more things change...

 

[fireproof78]

It's hard to ignore it when a show you enjoy watching is cancelled and then six months later a universally hated movie is released and then they just go on about their way with absolutely no repercussions or anything learned.

Not really.

Done it since TNG.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I would say telling someone to get a life is getting personal, but I'll only report them if they call me very smart.

a) That's not what they said.
b) I just noticed that the post in question is from the Disco forum, which is outside both my jurisdiction and my posting interests.

 

[Phily B]

EDIT

If you want to know how serious this place is - I was banned for being overly critical of Kurtzman. But I can still edit.

That was LITERALLY the reason.

 

[cooleddie74]

Berman and Braga bashing are back in vogue?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Berman and Braga bashing are back in vogue?

All the kids are into it