Another Space Station or Starbase Show

[fireproof78]

What made DS9 great was it's ensemble cast, the setting allowed for true conflict between characters, and drama that was both internal (among the crew not being the TNG hippies) and external (aliens, Gul Dukat).

If you have good writers and a good execution it can be amazing.

But, here's the other side. They had that cast (not all were great, and some were bad ((Quark)), but they also didn't have the oversight. In the streaming world, you don't get to be the forgotten child. You will be oversighted by higher ups and bean counters trying to justify their budgets.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But, here's the other side. They had that cast (not all were great, and some were bad ((Quark)), but they also didn't have the oversight. In the streaming world, you don't get to be the forgotten child. You will be oversighted by higher ups and bean counters trying to justify their budgets.

Always thought Shimerman was great.

 

[fireproof78]

Always thought Shimerman was great.

Perhaps so good that he makes want to turn the TV off, and that's more about my distaste for the character than the actor. Regardless, there are few Quark scenes I can really enjoy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Perhaps so good that he makes want to turn the TV off, and that's more about my distaste for the character than the actor. Regardless, there are few Quark scenes I can really enjoy.

Root Beer is a classic.

 

[fireproof78]

Root Beer is a classic.

One of the few, but it uses too of my least liked characters on DS9 so while well done just...let's just say I don't rewatch it often.

 

[Brainsucker]

Federation HQ is in fact a starship. Seriously, we've even seen it travelling at warp.

It doesn't matter. It stay in one place almost permanently. Even if it has a warp drive, but it's role is not moving around and exploring strange new world. But as a space station. Even DS9 can move like Star Ship. You can see it move when DS9 wanted to move closer to the worm hole. You can even put some warp drive to DS9 if you want. It just not be given any because it's role is not exploring around.

I think, there is very thin line different between a space station and a star ship. What make them different is their role / job to do. So as long as the Federation HQ job is not move around and exploring new world, but to accommodate smaller ships like a space station, then it is a space station.

 

[The Wormhole]

It doesn't matter. It stay in one place almost permanently. Even if it has a warp drive, but it's role is as a space station, and not as a star ship. Even DS9 can move like Star Ship. You can see it move when DS9 wanted to move closer to the worm hole. Plus, there is a very thin line difference between a space station and Star Ship anyway. What make them different is their role / job. So as long as Starfleet HQ role is not exploring strange new world, and stay in semi permanent way as a space station, then, it is a space station.

It's officially classified as a starship on its dedication plaque. Also, it has a dedication plaque, which is something only starships have, not space stations. To say nothing of the fact it has a name with a USS prefix, which stations never use.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's officially classified as a starship on its dedication plaque. Also, it has a dedication plaque, which is something only starships have, not space stations. To say nothing of the fact it has a name with a USS prefix, which stations never use.

IIRC, it was designed to be mobile and kept on the move until recently.

 

[The Wormhole]

IIRC, it was designed to be mobile and kept on the move until recently.

Actually, still seems to be on the move. The most recent episode it's hanging out in a nebula which I'm pretty sure it never was before.

 

[Brainsucker]

It's officially classified as a starship on its dedication plaque. Also, it has a dedication plaque, which is something only starships have, not space stations. To say nothing of the fact it has a name with a USS prefix, which stations never use.

It also doesn't matter if it officially to be called as Star Ship. A star base / space station can be anything. As it is a space construct anyway. It isn't a planet base office / headquarter. Do you think that space station should be a permanent construct that stay in one place? Then put in on the surface of a planet. And not in the outer space.

What matter about Star Base and Space Station is the role that the space construct has. If that construct / vehicle job is to moving around and exploring strange new world, then it is a star ship. But if it's job is to stay in one place in semi permanent way and doing Space Station / Star Base job, then it is a space station / Star Base.

 

[Brainsucker]

IIRC, it was designed to be mobile and kept on the move until recently.

LOL, with the situation with Duranium Crystal that happen in the era of Discovery Season 3, how can you move around a massive construct like Federation HQ with ease? If Federation can't reach anywhere with their smaller ships, it is impossible for them to do the same way with a massive Federation HQ.

Yes, maybe it moved before. But not moving around, exploring strange new world like a Star Ship. I guess that they moved it after Federation concept was rejected by the Earth Government. So they had no choice but to move out from the Earth Space.

 

[fireproof78]

it is impossible for them to do the same way with a massive Federation HQ.

How big was the Enterprise J supposed to be?

 

[Nerys Myk]

LOL, with the situation with Duranium Crystal that happen in the era of Discovery Season 3, how can you move around a massive construct like Federation HQ with ease? If Federation can't reach anywhere with their smaller ships, it is impossible for them to do the same way with a massive Federation HQ.

Yes, maybe it moved before. But not moving around, exploring strange new world like a Star Ship. I guess that they moved it after Federation concept was rejected by the Earth Government. So they had no choice but to move out from the Earth Space.

I guess you mean dilithium? Not sure size is an issue. But the USS Federation is a Pax-class starship. I don't think a starship stops being a starship when it's parked any more than a car stops being a car when it's parked,

 

[The Wormhole]

But not moving around, exploring strange new world like a Star Ship.

You keep saying that, but in Disco S3 nobody in Starfleet was exploring strange new worlds, as Starfleet of that era had abandoned science and exploration to focus on defense and security. Does that mean none of Starfleet's ships of that time were starships and in fact were all space stations?

And furthermore, what about aliens who aren't interested in exploration? Are their ships not starships but rather space stations?

 

[Victoria]

In the UK, some buildings used by the Royal Navy are designated as "ships". In particular, it used to apply to pre-sea training establishments. Some were designated "Training Ship" (TS), some as the more usual HMS (although that's usually when an actual ship has been replaced by a shore establishment). None of those buildings move yet they are still ships.

 

[Brainsucker]

You keep saying that, but in Disco S3 nobody in Starfleet was exploring strange new worlds, as Starfleet of that era had abandoned science and exploration to focus on defense and security. Does that mean none of Starfleet's ships of that time were starships and in fact were all space stations?

And furthermore, what about aliens who aren't interested in exploration? Are their ships not starships but rather space stations?

Now, that is an interesting question isn't it? You should think about it. First, the era of NO Dilithium Era was happen for quite some time. At that time, Starfleet can't even visit their long distant outpost. And they couldn't even maintain the relation of Federation core members, so they split apart. Look at some scene of the abandoned outpost in early episode of season 3. But, smaller ships like Books ship still can move around with a very rare dilithium supply that traded in black market.

So, why they build massive starships, even some Cruiser level of Starship, when there is no fuel for them to exploring around? Is it a plot hole? And not only that, why build a massive Star Ship that then happen to become the Federation HQ? Why not build smaller ships that need less Dilithium to move around to the known space? Shouldn't the first priority for Starfleet at that bleak moment was to keep contact with their another Star Base and Outpost? Once again, is it another plot hole?

 

[Brainsucker]

In the UK, some buildings used by the Royal Navy are designated as "ships". In particular, it used to apply to pre-sea training establishments. Some were designated "Training Ship" (TS), some as the more usual HMS (although that's usually when an actual ship has been replaced by a shore establishment). None of those buildings move yet they are still ships.

Isn't it actually enforce my previous argument? If a building on the land can be called as a ship, then a star ship can also to be call as a space station or star base, isn't it? The point is because those buildings' role is to be a training ship. While in other hand, that massive Star Ship's role is to be a Space Station and a Star Base.

 

[Cr0sis21]

One of the few, but it uses too of my least liked characters on DS9 so while well done just...let's just say I don't rewatch it often.

LOL you really are an outlier amongst Trek fans.

 

[fireproof78]

LOL you really are an outlier amongst Trek fans.

This is a thing I know.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Then you also know there was always five lights.

Also, hard pass on another station show.