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No more holographic comms

Honestly the holographic "mirror" bothered me a lot more than the holocom Largely because it was completely needless, doing the exact same thing a real mirror can do. Indeed, Stamets used a real mirror.

The one good use of a holo-mirror would be checking out what you look like from behind, whether to see if your butt looks good in those pants or to see how big your thin spot has gotten. Wasn't used for that though.
 
Star Trek in this era was Wagon Train to the stars. Exploration vessels were analogous to submarines. They're a long way from home and a long way from help. They do not have regenerating dilithium, they do have an unlimited supply of deuterium or, more importantly, anti-deuterium. They should not be wasting valuable resources on luxuries like a holographic projector in every junior officer's cabin.

I don't mind that Discovery uses the technology, I find it mildly irksome that everyone treats it as commonplace.

I do, however, object to the casual way transporters have been used for site to site, how there's never a transporter chief on duty, and the bonkers way they seem to crap battle-ready small craft out of their shuttle bay.
 
Control creating fake holographic communication projections of the deceased admirals.
Eh, it's not that much harder to create a fake image to transmit over viewscreens.
Star Trek in this era was Wagon Train to the stars. Exploration vessels were analogous to submarines. They're a long way from home and a long way from help.
TOS itself never really adhered to that concept given how often they visited Federation core worlds like Vulcan and even Earth itself.
 
Yeah, the thing with the holographic communicator, among many other things this season, just feels like more course correction away from the stuff they were saddled with in the first season because of Fuller that they are gleefully doing away with this year. They're especially laying it on thick with the holographic communicator, particularly with Number One's line about "all holographic communicators removed from this ship. Permanently. There will never be a holographic communication on this ship again. Ever. It's done."
The thing is, the supposed course corrections were away from things that were only established in season 2 to begin with. By saying that Klingons grew their hair after the war, they established that the Klingons' hairstyles were unified. Otherwise, we could have assumed we happened to only see the bald ones so far, just like most of us assumed the ones in TOS happened to be the human-looking ones. Likewise, season 2 established that Pike was the "only" captain not using holograms, which is actually hard to believe and I wouldn't have expected otherwise. They deliberately created these facts specifically to change them.
 
By saying that Klingons grew their hair after the war, they established that the Klingons' hairstyles were unified. Otherwise, we could have assumed we happened to only see the bald ones so far
I disagree, season one showed us that every Klingon everywhere was bald. In war, before war, in childhood, even in alternate realities. I'm not a fan of the method in which season two chose to bring hair back, but they were definitely altering a season one decision.
 
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I disagree, season one showed us that every Klingon everywhere was bald. In war, before war, in childhood, even in alternate realities. I'm not a fan of how season two chose to bring hair back, but they were definitely altering a season one decision.
You might have assumed that, but it wasn't established. In an interview at the premiere of season 1, the creature designers indicated there would be hair on Klingons eventually. The Klingon sarcophagus also had a haired Klingon carved into it. Not to mention we as viewers know that haired Klingons exist in the universe. The idea that they planned for literally every Klingon everywhere and every-when to be exclusively bald is... not well-supported. I thought it was always obvious that it was going to be seen; we just didn't know where or when. The complete lack of them in season 1 was probably simply due to the fact that wigs were never made. I wouldn't consider that change a fundamental shift.
 
I disagree, season one showed us that every Klingon everywhere was bald. In war, before war, in childhood, even in alternate realities. I'm not a fan of how season two chose to bring hair back, but they were definitely altering a season one decision.
True, but I think the idea is that it'd be better to leave the specifics to the audience, rather than drawing attention to it and establishing some Real Official Fanwank. If we just started seeing haired Klingons in season two, or they started using the holograms less and less, without drawing attention to it, it'd leave it to the audience to believe whatever made us all happiest. Doing it the way they have gives season two the air of a fix fic, calling out all the stuff that someone didn't like about season one and tidying it up, but without actually retconning it into the cornfield entirely. Granted, I don't usually mind that sort of thing when it happens in the novels, but one important difference between novels and TV shows is that novels have narration. There could be a page or two just about Klingon fashions vis-a-vis times of war and Great House disunity that's thought out, sensible, and gives a deeper reason that affects characterization or subtext or something, but you can't have Burnham do much more on screen than "I heard the Klingons are growing their hair again," which, no shit, we've got eyes, Michael.

She can't go on about how Klingons started shaving their heads when the Houses fell into civil war thirty years earlier, that the practice was started in the early days of the religion of Kahless, as a reference to him making his sword by dipping his hair in lava, that it was supposed to reflect that the Klingon people had no time for pursuits other than war if they wished to survive to hunt and drink and sing opera another day, that every fiber of their being (and every strand of their hair) had to go into the fight, but doing it for so long made it cease to be extraordinary, and many Klingons were beginning to feel the tradition had outlived its usefulness in an era of endless war, both hot and cold, both internal and external, rather than brief, defined conflicts with clear winners and losers with existential stakes. There, that ties into the deeper lore, smooths the path between where we've been and where we're going to end up where Klingons never shave their heads, and even has some social commentary about the changing face of war in the post World War II era. Easy. Pocket Books, DM me.

It's something I've been saying about Discovery in season two. It is, in the parlance of the times, extra. It always goes further than it needs to, but not far enough to justify making a big deal of things. In lieu of starting to explore some really novel, trippy concepts and drama that would justify keeping to their super-liminal style, the show needs some subtlety. Maybe I should ask Hoity Toity to break into the production offices and graffiti "LESS IS MORE" on the writers' room door.
 
Honestly the holographic "mirror" bothered me a lot more than the holocom Largely because it was completely needless, doing the exact same thing a real mirror can do. Indeed, Stamets used a real mirror.

The one good use of a holo-mirror would be checking out what you look like from behind, whether to see if your butt looks good in those pants or to see how big your thin spot has gotten. Wasn't used for that though.
The fact that it could be used is fine by me.

Also, to my mind, introducing an additional piece of equipment in the communications can just lead to another link in the chain that could be hacked.
 
True, but I think the idea is that it'd be better to leave the specifics to the audience, rather than drawing attention to it and establishing some Real Official Fanwank. If we just started seeing haired Klingons in season two, or they started using the holograms less and less, without drawing attention to it, it'd leave it to the audience to believe whatever made us all happiest.
I agree.
In an interview at the premiere of season 1, the creature designers indicated there would be hair on Klingons eventually.
Do you have a link for that? I only ever saw them justifying why Klingons would have no hair, and I'd be curious to see exactly what they said.
 
You might have assumed that, but it wasn't established. In an interview at the premiere of season 1, the creature designers indicated there would be hair on Klingons eventually. The Klingon sarcophagus also had a haired Klingon carved into it. Not to mention we as viewers know that haired Klingons exist in the universe. The idea that they planned for literally every Klingon everywhere and every-when to be exclusively bald is... not well-supported. I thought it was always obvious that it was going to be seen; we just didn't know where or when. The complete lack of them in season 1 was probably simply due to the fact that wigs were never made. I wouldn't consider that change a fundamental shift.
Actually, wasn't there someone from behind the scenes who tried saying that these Klingons couldn't have hair because of sensory organs on their heads which were necessary for survival? At the very least, L'Rell's head is a completely different shape in season 2 than it was in season 1.
 
They 1) made a choice to make DSC Klingons (yes all of them) bald, 2) justified the baldness as a sensory requirement for the DSC representation of the species, 2) claimed all the houses would look very different, though in several interviews this seemingly was meant specifically in regard to their costuming (and possibly their specific ridge shapes as well, though not necessarily), 3) later claimed that we supposedly only saw a few of the houses despite the clear implication of what ended up on screen, and 4) then just went and changed it all. :shrug:

Whatever. It's better now.

It's not early installment weirdness, it's a full-on changed premise.

Them mentioning it doesn't bother me at all. Likewise, the show is better off without the silly holograms, but in that case, their justification was far too much a big-lipped alligator.
 
The idea that people only hate S31 being in the open because they aren't willing to go with the narrative of DSC is just plain silly. It's making people with legit criticisms into: "you only hate it because it's different, you just don't understand, it's too smart for you" kind of nonsense. S31 being in the open isn't bad because it's contradictory, it's just not nearly as dramatically interesting as the clandestine organization as it was presented in DS9.

This 100%. Yes, my initial reaction to 31 was, "what the hell are they doing? This is all wrong!" And then it quickly become obvious that it wasn't just inconsistent, but it was dumb. It was a far worse version of 31 than the original version, narratively, dramatically, etc. They still could have had 31 in the show, but had they done it like it was done previously, it would have been so much cooler and more interesting.

And that's just one example. Put holograms in, whatever. But maybe at least also put the occasional screen communication in there? Don't bend over backward to wave away all the inconsistencies, just don't put so many glaring inconsistencies in there.

The last few minutes of the finale were almost laughable. Spock might has well have been looking directly into camera when he said, "And now everything you thought was off, we'll just never talk about again! TA DA!"

It was painful and unnecessary.
 
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