It is not, in fact, a show that's long on logic, plausibility or strong storytelling.
No more holographic comms
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It is not, in fact, a show that's long on logic, plausibility or strong storytelling.
"No more holographic comms - ever" was a wink at the fans but a nonsensical one, since it's supposed to tie into the rest of Trek but is done so from an ultra-futuristic, rebooted and reimagined Enterprise bridge which completely counters it by existing.
Plus, I liked the holograms. Admiral Brett in "Battle of the Binary Stars" talking with Georgiou Prime on the Shenzhou bridge was super cool, especially when he started glitching out.
Plus, I liked the holograms. Admiral Brett in "Battle of the Binary Stars" talking with Georgiou Prime on the Shenzhou bridge was super cool, especially when he started glitching out.
Which is a shame based on the cast they put together.
If his Chief Engineer said:"Hey it's causing problems..." (which Pike stated he did); and he has logs, I doubt Fleet Command would complain about Pike's decision. Pike is the pone that has to fly/live on the ship out in deep space.
The line made it sound like Pike was jumping to conclusions, all he said was, "I bet it was that holo communication system" or something to that effect, and that the Chief warned him about it.
Nothing from the report that Number One gave him seemed to imply it was the cause.
It just sounds like Pike was just looking for an excuse to rip it out.
Nothing from the report that Number One gave him seemed to imply it was the cause.
It just sounds like Pike was just looking for an excuse to rip it out.
I've seen office space managed that way, at least in my agency...and this is supposed to be in the future...
I guess I don't find it painful then. I find it interesting to explore technological innovations, and how people respond to them. Pike's attitude is just as interesting to me as the holographic tech itself.
I get that it's not narratively interesting and I'll freely admit to being on the outskirts for this idea, but it doesn't bother me.
Too bad that can't be taken seriously at all. "Don't delude yourself" has been the refrain of detractors who've been WRONG about all kinds of things during a season that aimed to be less predictable than season 1, and aimed to go where people didn't expect it to.
Do you really think they planned on keeping Section 31 in the open indefinitely? Obviously there was a strategy to show why it went underground to the point where the organization was considered myth or unheard of by the DS9 era. And do you think there was no plan to separate the crews to make a clean break for the new series? Come on.
Just because the season didn't flow in whatever manner you wanted it to doesn't mean they were making it up as they went along. Enough with the "Don't delude yourself" refrain that has ridiculed ideas that turned out to be spot-on, and has also ridiculed the effort that's gone into making a great show for long-time Trek fans and new fans alike. I have criticisms of my own, but I think it's safe to say: it's a great time for Trek.
Too bad that can't be taken seriously at all. "Don't delude yourself" has been the refrain of detractors who've been WRONG about all kinds of things during a season that aimed to be less predictable than season 1, and aimed to go where people didn't expect it to.
Do you really think they planned on keeping Section 31 in the open indefinitely? Obviously there was a strategy to show why it went underground to the point where the organization was considered myth or unheard of by the DS9 era. And do you think there was no plan to separate the crews to make a clean break for the new series? Come on.
Just because the season didn't flow in whatever manner you wanted it to doesn't mean they were making it up as they went along. Enough with the "Don't delude yourself" refrain that has ridiculed ideas that turned out to be spot-on, and has also ridiculed the effort that's gone into making a great show for long-time Trek fans and new fans alike. I have criticisms of my own, but I think it's safe to say: it's a great time for Trek.
You can believe whatever the hell you want; I don't care. But there was no master plan. There never has been in Star Trek.
It definitely doesn't feel like the payoff of a grand plan. The impression I distinctly get is that it's a handy way to ditch something that the current showrunners inherited and never wanted in the first place.
Giving the writers the benefit of the doubt and assuming that there was a masterplan being followed, it still doesn't really make much sense to me. Why were holographic communications introduced in the first place? They never had any plot relevance, did they? If they'd been introduced for some plot-vital reason and then taken out in a way that made sense, that would be one thing, but the way it's played out feels more like it was one of many things that was put in just to look cool, people generally reacted badly to and considered a "canon violation", and the new writers/showrunners have subsequently tried to distance themselves from it.
I should maybe mention that while I'd have preferred them to not have holographic comms at all, I didn't really care that they existed. Oddly enough, the clumsy way of dropping the idea is what bothers me, because it makes me feel as though the writers don't really know what they're doing and are trying to course correct/clean up the show, which isn't a good thing to have to watch as a viewer, even though I've generally enjoyed this season.
EDIT: Re-read this post and I feel like I should clarify that it wasn't just Number One's throwaway line about holograms that makes me feel like we're watching a course-correction, it's just a minor thing among many many other things this season. I didn't flip out just at that line, if that's how it reads.
Giving the writers the benefit of the doubt and assuming that there was a masterplan being followed, it still doesn't really make much sense to me. Why were holographic communications introduced in the first place? They never had any plot relevance, did they? If they'd been introduced for some plot-vital reason and then taken out in a way that made sense, that would be one thing, but the way it's played out feels more like it was one of many things that was put in just to look cool, people generally reacted badly to and considered a "canon violation", and the new writers/showrunners have subsequently tried to distance themselves from it.
I should maybe mention that while I'd have preferred them to not have holographic comms at all, I didn't really care that they existed. Oddly enough, the clumsy way of dropping the idea is what bothers me, because it makes me feel as though the writers don't really know what they're doing and are trying to course correct/clean up the show, which isn't a good thing to have to watch as a viewer, even though I've generally enjoyed this season.
EDIT: Re-read this post and I feel like I should clarify that it wasn't just Number One's throwaway line about holograms that makes me feel like we're watching a course-correction, it's just a minor thing among many many other things this season. I didn't flip out just at that line, if that's how it reads.
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I was fine with it.
Pike gave the directive in the episode Brother to have them all removed because he didn't like the way they make everyone looks like ghosts, and this was the first time back on the ship and actively in command since then, so Number One was simply telling him they followed through on his directive from that earlier episode.
As Pike is rated as a top Starfleet Captain, he may be given greater latitude.
More matter-of-fact statements from people who weren't in the writing room, who don't know anything about the backroom dramas they blow up to titanic proportions.
Just watched the debut of the newest "Ready Room" with Michelle Paradise, and it is always a huge pleasure to hear her and the staff talk about the unbelievable lengths they've gone to to honor what's come before, while taking us on new adventures. Check it out if you get a chance.
I'd be more interested in them talking about telling the best story possible. I don't give two fucks about canon.
More matter-of-fact statements from people who weren't in the writing room, who don't know anything about the backroom dramas they blow up to titanic proportions.
Sorry, didn't realize I was actually talking to one of DSC's producers/writers.
The better concept would be to tell the fans it was always like that, just like the Klingons in 1979
Best thing would be to not mention it at all. Just go to work and tell the best stories possible. Fans will sort it out, like we always have.
I didn't like the holographic comms from the outset on Discovery, and if Capt Pike also dislikes them that's good enough for me
Control creating fake holographic communication projections of the deceased admirals.
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