A grittier new Star Trek series?

[Skellington]

What the hell does "gritty" mean in this context, anyways?

It feels like a vague, wishy-washy high-concept pitch word.

If it's like the example used, BSG, it means people only shower once a week, they fuck a lot, and all but 1/10 of them will attempt to commit suicide or kill someone close to them at some point in the series.

Fixed that for you.

Maybe Christopher Nolan can bring Trek back to TV.

He'd probably bring Christian Bale and/or Tom Hardy with him. In any case, any Star Trek entity that he came up with could hardly fail to be more optimistic and less disturbing than the aforementioned BSG. (No, I haven't forgotten Memento or The Prestige. )

 

[RAMA]

After re-watching some DS9 on Netflix and the TNG movies I started missing Star Trek. I loved the new reboot movie but I want a TV series. I kind of imagine a show like Battlestar Galactica. Well the tone of BSG at least. With some X-Files mysticism and story. Pretty much I want a more adventurous story as in with a true plot. Maybe show soldiers on the front lines of a new war. Like Space Above and Beyond had it's "warzone" feel to it. Sorry I know I'm just throwing all these aspects of different shows intot he mix. I love every Trek series I have seen. DS9 > TNG> Voyager

Mysticism? Certainly not! Star Trek shouldn't be all about war, although it has been partially about war, and I wouldn't want a "gritty" battle lines show, but a mystical Star Trek? I mean that's just counter to Trek altogether. You want mysticism, go watch Star Wars.

Read:http://www.salon.com/1999/06/15/brin_main/

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

After re-watching some DS9 on Netflix and the TNG movies I started missing Star Trek. I loved the new reboot movie but I want a TV series. I kind of imagine a show like Battlestar Galactica. Well the tone of BSG at least. With some X-Files mysticism and story. Pretty much I want a more adventurous story as in with a true plot. Maybe show soldiers on the front lines of a new war. Like Space Above and Beyond had it's "warzone" feel to it. Sorry I know I'm just throwing all these aspects of different shows intot he mix. I love every Trek series I have seen. DS9 > TNG> Voyager

Mysticism? Certainly not! Star Trek shouldn't be all about war, although it has been partially about war, and I wouldn't want a "gritty" battle lines show, but a mystical Star Trek? I mean that's just counter to Trek altogether. You want mysticism, go watch Star Wars.

Read:http://www.salon.com/1999/06/15/brin_main/

Bang on the money!

 

[xortex]

I'm actually for this except that it should only be a one sided war and the Federation should be outmatched technologically or spiritually what have you abd have to figure out how to win without brute force and without an obvious bad guy or a bad guy with a good reason for being bad and I think it should take place close to Earth and be a giant mystery.

 

[Vulagr]

Do Andromeda over and do it right this time. Sounds like a plan.

And don't let Kevin Sorbo take over the show. EVER.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

And anyway, I thought DS9 was the grittier new Star Trek series.

 

[Lynx]

I'm not in favor of "gritty" due to the fact that it often ends up being misinterpreted as "make everyone douchebags, all the stories dark and depressing/stupid, and everyone gets shit on." I'm fine with moral ambiguity, just don't over do it and make everything so dreary that the show is a slog to get through.

I agree. There are too many dark and depressing series going now. You just have to get bored for one hour with "Stargate Universe" to see what I mean.

Personally I want Trek stories in the TNG and Voyager style.

 

[Sean Aaron]

I don't know if others share this opinion, but one of the things that drew me to Trek (TOS) was that it was bright, shiny, and hopeful

That's certainly what I like about it.

I enjoyed DS9 for the characters and the fact that the hopefulness and desire to be better persisted in the face of war, but I don't need another DS9 because we already have one. I also enjoyed BSG, but again I don't need Trek to become BSG.

I have no strong desire for a new show, but hopefully it will be something I recognise as Star Trek.

 

[RandyS]

And anyway, I thought DS9 was the grittier new Star Trek series.

It was, and that's as far as "dark and gritty" should go.

 

[RAMA]

After re-watching some DS9 on Netflix and the TNG movies I started missing Star Trek. I loved the new reboot movie but I want a TV series. I kind of imagine a show like Battlestar Galactica. Well the tone of BSG at least. With some X-Files mysticism and story. Pretty much I want a more adventurous story as in with a true plot. Maybe show soldiers on the front lines of a new war. Like Space Above and Beyond had it's "warzone" feel to it. Sorry I know I'm just throwing all these aspects of different shows intot he mix. I love every Trek series I have seen. DS9 > TNG> Voyager

Mysticism? Certainly not! Star Trek shouldn't be all about war, although it has been partially about war, and I wouldn't want a "gritty" battle lines show, but a mystical Star Trek? I mean that's just counter to Trek altogether. You want mysticism, go watch Star Wars.

Read:http://www.salon.com/1999/06/15/brin_main/

Bang on the money!

The article should be required reading for all SF fans.

RAMA

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Do Andromeda over and do it right this time. Sounds like a plan.

And don't let Kevin Sorbo take over the show. EVER.

Oh GAWD! The moment he opened his mouth, I knew I wouldn't be able to finish the first episode, much less stick around for the whole series.

And anyway, I thought DS9 was the grittier new Star Trek series.

I get the impression that DS9 isn't what people want when they say they want gritty. Tastes have migrated, because of nuBSG but also other cable series - The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Sons of Anarchy, etc etc. People have gotten used to really gritty now. Star Trek as a whole is almost too sanitized to work on cable (but I'd still like to see an attempt).

 

[CorporalClegg]

Why do these ideas continue to resurface month after month, year after year?

What part of "hope for a better future" do people just not understand?

 

[RAMA]

I would like to point out that a show can be positive and technologically evocative and still look grittier...example: ST09.

RAMA

 

[CorporalCaptain]

And anyway, I thought DS9 was the grittier new Star Trek series.

I get the impression that DS9 isn't what people want when they say they want gritty. Tastes have migrated, because of nuBSG but also other cable series - The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Sons of Anarchy, etc etc. People have gotten used to really gritty now. Star Trek as a whole is almost too sanitized to work on cable (but I'd still like to see an attempt).

Oh yeah, I know. It was just my way of yelling "get off my lawn". And also of pointing out that the people who are asking for gritty Star Trek don't realize what they are asking for, since DS9 is the real outlier here.

nuTrek had gritty elements, but I sure left the theater feeling really positive about being alive in the universe.

 

[ATimson]

I don't think I necessarily want gritty Trek, but I do want serious, deep Trek. It just so happens that most of the more serious and deep shows recently - nuBSG, The Sopranos, Game of Thrones to name a few - happen to be gritty.

I'd be perfectly fine with a Technicolor series. But I'd like to see moral dilemmas and consequences, not static characters & cheese being taken to sickbay & damage going away before the next episode.

 

[Anji]

Grit may be what DS9 and VOY are about but DS9 and VOY, in this girl's opinion, is not Star Trek.

Star Trek is about an optimistic future, full of hope and opportunities. If you want grit turn on one of those stupid, useless reality shows.

I, for one, want to be told a story...and something that makes me feel good by the conclusion. I want a Star Trek that gives me hope so that when I have to back to my lousy two jobs I know that eventually things will get better because two Federation members (like Kirk and Spock) made it through the crisis of the week. And if they can make it, I can too.

With all the troubles in the world at the present time NOW is when we need Star Trek. We need hope. We need to have it show us that we will get through our world crisis and become the better for it.

 

[AggieJohn]

I don't think that gritty has to be bleak and depressing. I think it needs to have stories that are more morally gray. The Star Trek had some episodes that had that. Its more real. I hated how every episode ends with the cookie cutter happy everyone is happy ending. Sometimes the end is the best we can do. I would like to see a ship and crew that has to live with that. Starfleet is part soldier, part cop, part diplomat and the results might not be pretty every time. I can appreciate that. It gives the writers something to explore, the guilt, shame and burden of command. A captain and crew shaken by experience, maybe still hopeful too. But definitely challenged.

This, again has been done in Star Trek, I mean Picard and the Borg made for some great drama. I think it was the best use of Patrick Steward.

 

[Kelthaz]

I don't think I necessarily want gritty Trek, but I do want serious, deep Trek. It just so happens that most of the more serious and deep shows recently - nuBSG, The Sopranos, Game of Thrones to name a few - happen to be gritty.

The more seriously shows take themselves the less serious I find I can take them. I really don't want another show that's all bleak and serious. Let's have fun again. More Galaxy Quest, less nuBSG.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I never found VOY to be gritty. Not really.

Sure the ship was once taken from them and the crew was marooned (not airlocked mind you; just marooned), sure a few died, and sure a guilty man who no one would miss gave his life to retake the ship, but in the end Voyager came riding back down through the clouds to pick everybody up.

Sure Seven didn't make it back to the Alpha Quadrant, but -- oops, a little time travel magic and she did make it back after all.

See what I mean? It was faux grit.

 

[Kelthaz]

Yeah, Voyager was pretty squeaky clean. It was a fun show, but very light and fluffy. I've always thought of it as Friends in Space.