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Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galactica?

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Or at least acknowledge it? Could any potential new Star Trek series really hold up those same all-too-perfect two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs to us, when (admittedly, RDM's version of...) real people were shown on another science fiction series which let's face it, is similar at least in our tastes. If we saw another goody-goody crew try to tell us what's right, would we really believe it?

I remember watching Enterprise and Battlestar Galatica beside each other, and the differences were ridiculous. Archer and his crew were one dimensional, their motivation cliched, and the various wires the series had to walk to literally avoid not offending the most helpless of individuals was insulting to the rest of us. I'm no fanboy of Battlestar Galactica, I sometimes find it pretentious, boring, the characters unempathasible, let alone unlikeable; but I knew it had edge, I knew it had ideas, I knew it had impetus and this was a big change from Enterprise, Voyager and to a lesser extent, Deep Space Nine.

So what i'm asking, will any new Star Trek story have to have strong ideas? Not necessarilly dark, but with every powerful positive or negative message, a story has to show a proportional counter-idea, positive or negative. Battlestar Galactica achieved this; or will it simply have toothless ideas like Earth getting blown up by aliens (No, that's not a 9/11 parallel.) Or Genetic Engineering! Or the same moral messages over and over again that really have little more wisdom than Sesame Street... or will it simply be all a disguise for an elaborate power fantasy which everything in popular science fiction is fast becoming.

Pathetic and didactic like before, or edgy and idealistic?(Idealistic does not mean positive.)

Or will it go sideways and resemble a J.J Abrams series (possible considering, he's helming the movie: very likely he'll have fingers in any new series.)

Could arguably be style over substance. (Not a bad thing, i'd watch if it was gripping, be a tad disappointed intellectually though.)
 
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I don't mind ''strong inteligent, brave & bold'' wrighting, like NU-GALACTICA,but I don't want a carbon copy! As much as I like NU-G, I don't want to go thru another 4 years of apocolyptic crap! At this point I'm exhusted.:(
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

I'd say what a new Star Trek series *has* to be is original, while still 'feeling' like Star Trek. How to achieve that? I have no clue, I'm not a writer, director, or producer. But since every now and again tv shows pop up that feel relatively fresh compared to what came before, I'm guessing it's possible.

So no, it does not have to be like BSG or any other show for that matter. The only shows it should resemble are the Star Trek shows, at least in some of its themes/flavour/ideas, not in the way that every episode of Voyager and Enterprise resembled every other episode.
 
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I did not say it has to be like NuBSG... Rather, Battlestar Galactica has to be taken into account when making a new one. Any new regime won't be able to get away with the mistakes from the past and let the show's story seem empty and outdated when we are used to arguably better storytelling(a la BSG, or other cult shows, that simply weren't around a decade ago.)

Many ideas have been passed around like Bryan Fuller's TOS idea, but i really think the audience that liked the naively, faux-optimistic repetitive story-telling of previous Star Treks has eroded, and would only re-form if they had something new, idealistic and daring, need not be dark, but please don't make it pointless.

Did we not get a feeling of pointlessness when watching Voyager or Enterprise (like it had little to do with our lives?)
 
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I doubt that Battlestar Galactica's reinvention has that kind of impact on the public. It's not exactly like how Star Wars helped Paramount hurry along its Trek resurrection in the late 70's.

I hope Star Trek always remains a utopian optimistic series, primarily concerned with exploration. Conflict in space plays an important part for fandom, but storywise that should be kept in some sort of perspective. A delicate balancing act. Laying breadcrumbs throughout each season, leading to epic confrontations once in a while. Endless war stories change Star Trek into something its not... a sure sign the game plan has changed to fan writers pleasing a fanbase only, ignoring the larger audience's understanding of what the show has always been about.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

If you take out the positivity you take out a key component of trek which defines it to a large extent. Darkness isn't exclusive to this, but what one should avoid with any new trek series is a kind of Dark Knight exploration of bleakness, cynicism and Iraqi style torture. Trek is about human progress and evolving beyond the nasty things which have characterized our history up till now, which makes it unique in the pantheon of sci fi shows with the general trend towards dystopic visions of the future.

However I do think powerful new ideas should be incorporated, a new series will need to be gripping. A good base to start from is to make the characters compelling, a major failing point for Ent and Voy. Characters draw you into the universe, if they become cardboard cut outs or boring then most people aren't going to care for the plot.

I think they should dispense possibly with the old paradigm of the star fleet crew on the bridge and go for something broader perhaps in scope. Rather than focusing on one crew in starfleet perhaps they could focus on several and give us a wide lens view of the federation.

The great thing about the first three series of Trek was that they had original and compelling conceptual threads which weakly/strongly linked the episodes. For TOS it was exploration and introducing the central ideas of Trek, for TNG it was the arc of humanity being on trial and for DS9 it was an exploration of 24th century warfare. Voy had a good premise but they messed it up and Ent, well Ent was just a bunch of incompetents in space. A new series should have this but it will need to be engaging. Perhaps a major turning point or challenge for the Federation as a test of its achievements and for its continued ascent in a style reminiscent of Peter F Hamiltons novels.
 
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Will a new Trek series *have* to be like BSG?

I hope not. It ended up being too weird and it was not exactly family friendly. I don't mind the realism but I don't want to see the adult themes in Trek.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

I did not say it has to be like NuBSG...

I don't want to be nitpicking here, but in the title of the thread you do ask exactly that question.

Any new regime won't be able to get away with the mistakes from the past and let the show's story seem empty and outdated

I wholeheartedly agree with that, but that has not much to do with BSG imo. I didn't want any show's story to be empty and pointless 10 years ago and I don't want that now (not sure what you mean by outdated here though).

So, if you're asking if I want a new Star Trek show ---if it ever happens--- to be intelligent, challenging, exciting, dealing with relevant issues, instead of having card board characters walking through technobabble plots. Yes, of course I do. I don't think you'll find many people around here who don't (I hope not at least). But I don't think that means it has to be in any way similar to BSG. It might be in one or more respects, but it doesn't have to be. BSG-like storytelling is not the only one that incorporates all those good qualities you and I want to see in our shows.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

Could any potential new Star Trek series really hold up those same all-too-perfect two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs to us, when (admittedly, RDM's version of...) real people were shown on another science fiction series which let's face it, is similar at least in our tastes. If we saw another goody-goody crew try to tell us what's right, would we really believe it?

While I'd like to see a more DS9-ish character element to any new series, and haven't got around to BSG yet... at the same time a lot of shows have very conflicted characters.

If a new Trek show came around mimicing everything else that was available at the time or in recent history, what would make it different than anything else?
 
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The BSG approach has its place but Star Trek is its own thing. DS9 is as "dark" as Trek should ever go.
I remember watching Enterprise and Battlestar Galatica beside each other, and the differences were ridiculous.
ENT was bad for the first three seasons, and should never be imitated by anything.
Did we not get a feeling of pointlessness when watching Voyager or Enterprise (like it had little to do with our lives?)
And neither should VOY.

Forget TNG too. That kind of bland, too-easy, good-two-shoes-ism has definitely been killed by BSG, if it wasn't already long dead. DS9 and TOS are the right templates for future Trek.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

Depends on what you mean "like"

Star Trek, like BSG works best when its Character Driven. The two best examples is The Big three of TOS, and the significant seven of TNG. People watch television because they like the Characters, they like seeing them developed.

Comparing Enterprise to NUBSG is unfair. Enterprise was built around a concept (prequel) not the Characters. The Characters were uncompelling. I didn't like any of them. I didn't care that they killed Trip off in the finalie. They could have killed Archer off, and I would have been ok with that. I actually liked the Finalie because I got to see Riker, troi and hear Data. I also got to see a CGI version of the E-D.

If your going to make a new Trek series, you have to get back to the basics. And that is making socially relevent TV with Characters we are interested in.

BSG did that. Ron Moore put us in the shoes of the insurgents... He made us like people, and then showed us that they were our "enemies" and then finally told us they were our ancestors.

Star Trek and TNG were utopian, but forced us to look at our culture through that lens. Any future Trek series will depend on doing that successfully.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

No.

Wasn't like Battlestar Galactica was a mainstream hit, it was a hit by Sci-Fi Channel standards. Enterprise drew more viewers early on with only partial coverage of the United States.

Star Trek needs to be fun... it needs to be about the weird and wild... it needs to stretch the imagination. It needs to be about 11,000 mile long space amoebas', gunfights at the OK Corrall and planetary amusement parks that are more than they seem.

I think Star Trek lost its' way when it started believing its' own hype. It started taking itself seriously.

Battlestar Galactica has none of the qualities that made Star Trek what it is. Battlestar Galactica became a limbo contest to see how low humanity would go.

If Star Trek becomes more like Battlestar Galactica, this is one viewer they can count out.
 
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Its true that most, not all, ST characters are 1-D depthless wonders. Basically, Mike & Carol Bradys in space. Stepford people.

That's Trek's big flaw. Most of it's characters are utterly unbelievable unrealistic moral perfections.

Future Trek needs characters who are realistic, believable, have depth & surprise you. Have them act & interact like normal, real folks.

Another similar problem in Trek is the sameness. Every species' planet, with few exceptions, is 1- nation, language, culture, creed, even religion - pole to pole. That's absurd!

Then every spacefaring civilization in Trek has transporters. Gimme a break!

Even ones in the far reaches of the Gamma & Delta Quadrants. Somehow. Ridiculous!

B5, NYPD Blue, Oz, BSG, Homicide & many other shows have much to teach older, yet naive Star Trek the ways of the world(s).
 
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B5, NYPD Blue, Oz, BSG, Homicide & many other shows have much to teach older, yet naive Star Trek the ways of the world(s).

Yet as each one falls to the wayside (and out of the public consciousness)... Trek is still standing. :devil:

Makes you think.
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

Its true that most, not all, ST characters are 1-D depthless wonders. Basically, Mike & Carol Bradys in space. Stepford people.

That's Trek's big flaw. Most of it's characters are utterly unbelievable unrealistic moral perfections.

Future Trek needs characters who are realistic, believable, have depth & surprise you. Have them act & interact like normal, real folks.

Another similar problem in Trek is the sameness. Every species' planet, with few exceptions, is 1- nation, language, culture, creed, even religion - pole to pole. That's absurd!

Then every spacefaring civilization in Trek has transporters. Gimme a break!

Even ones in the far reaches of the Gamma & Delta Quadrants. Somehow. Ridiculous!

B5, NYPD Blue, Oz, BSG, Homicide & many other shows have much to teach older, yet naive Star Trek the ways of the world(s).

Every complaint you've tossed out is a symptom of Modern Trek not The Original Series.
 
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Then every spacefaring civilization in Trek has transporters. Gimme a break!

Every complaint you've tossed out is a symptom of Modern Trek not The Original Series.

The Original Series budget ensured most races could suddenly appear out of thin air, onto the bridge of the Enteprise, before swiping Spock's brain! :p

Technology gets around. Even people in the third world have our "hand me downs" such as mobile phones and PCs from the 90's. Traders will have gotten their hands on equipment from all over. Even if they didn't, the conceit of Star Trek is how the transporter is the natural next step in getting across short distances, without a story being stuck in traffic.

My complaint of nuBSG is a space faring show never encountering bizzare creatures as the original did.
 
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Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

^, I've only seen 6 episodes of BSG's TNG, but enjoyed that tad few I did. Episodes 14-16 & the last 3, all from the present final season.

Regardless, I prefer BSG's TOS, with Lorne Greene & Commander Kor.

I've read BSG's TNG has NO aliens, never did. Why:wtf::confused: That's not :cool:

I hear Glen Larson wants to make a BSG film based on his BSG-TOS, separate from Moore's Cover/Re-imagining. I'm all for that:)
 
Re: Will any new Star Trek series *have* to be like Battlestar Galacti

So, we have to watch Star Trek with constant shaky cameras that randomly over-zoom in and out?

NO
 
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