It is. It's subjective. Different people have different lines.
What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
- Thread starter Ray Hardgrit
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So you're saying 'Star Wars' is Science-Fantasy instead of Sci-Fi.
I'm suddenly playing Picard's dialogue of "The line must be drawn here..." in my head now.
And Quark's version, too.
And Quark's version, too.
Yes, because that's how it is portrayed. It's never been about projecting in to "our future" the way Trek has tried to do.
I guess so.
Yes, Bond outright says he's a Commander in the Navy, seconded to the intelligence service. Which should be no surprise since Ian Flemming was a senior official in Naval Intelligence during WW II.this is a great idea, but [fill in nonsensical question to taste]
i don't believe for a second that it would have triggered less dancing around the they-murdered-trek tree
emphasis mine
this is definately a paralell universe as there isn't (and never was) a royal army (there was a royalist army but that's besides the point) - it's the british army
British Army - Wikipedia
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i can't imagine any 21st century show that doesn't use more advanced tech than tos and i doubt anybody but a hardcore canonist would accept that if a show did - the times of radio tubes are over
as a navy man he'd been sbs
Special Boat Service - Wikipedia
I find it interesting that one of the other parallel Earths apparently ended up in the same type of situation with long-lived people. Interesing to wonder if there could be some connection there.
what else?
They were inconsistent about the belts. The Enterprise C crew and Jack Crusher weren't wearing belts, though Picard and his friends did have the belts in Tapestry, as did Deanna's father in Dark Page.
But yeah, without the belts the Monster Maroons look pretty bad. Even without the turtlenecks, the Maroons still look somewhat snazzy with the belt. Without it, nah. Though at the same time, no belt and no turtleneck actually does look somewhat believable as a predecessor to the TNG uniforms.
The novelverse handled it better. It was a duplicate Earth from another dimension that came across by accident due to whatever scifi dooda
Can we include movies?
TNG films:
ruined Kirk by using him in a role that could have played by any other new character. (I ignore the existence of this film)
turned Picard into an unconvincing "action hero" and the TNG cast into caricatures of the characters they played for seven years.
Abrams Trek:
Dumbed Star Trek down so that it could be "cool" and appeal to a demographic it never appealed to nor needed to appeal to.
Destroyed Romulus in the most idiotic way possible as motivation for an ultimately useless character in a useless movie.
Marooned Spock in a universe that is a caricature of his original timeline (I also ignore the existence of this film and those that followed)
Kurtz Dreck: too many awful things to count, so I just consider it (and Abrams Trek) as alternate universes.
Though the odds are incredibly low, perhaps one day, a film or TV series or novel or comic book or fan work will return to the original Trek timeline. Though I loathe it, the last we saw of that timeline was "Nemesis." I'd love a new series set fifty years after NEM, ignoring the Abrams and Kurtz nonsense, a true Next Next Generation.
TNG films:
ruined Kirk by using him in a role that could have played by any other new character. (I ignore the existence of this film)
turned Picard into an unconvincing "action hero" and the TNG cast into caricatures of the characters they played for seven years.
Abrams Trek:
Dumbed Star Trek down so that it could be "cool" and appeal to a demographic it never appealed to nor needed to appeal to.
Destroyed Romulus in the most idiotic way possible as motivation for an ultimately useless character in a useless movie.
Marooned Spock in a universe that is a caricature of his original timeline (I also ignore the existence of this film and those that followed)
Kurtz Dreck: too many awful things to count, so I just consider it (and Abrams Trek) as alternate universes.
Though the odds are incredibly low, perhaps one day, a film or TV series or novel or comic book or fan work will return to the original Trek timeline. Though I loathe it, the last we saw of that timeline was "Nemesis." I'd love a new series set fifty years after NEM, ignoring the Abrams and Kurtz nonsense, a true Next Next Generation.
After watching Voyager and Enterprise, two shows that had the potential to break new ground and utterly refusing... no. I'll take LD goofiness, PRO kid friendliness, PIC darkness, SNW tongue in cheek, and even DIS's diversity box checking. I'll take it all, and rejoice in Trek's willingness to push envelopes instead of run on a treadmill.
While I love STNG series for me all the movies are just wrong, especially 'Generations'.
STNG ended with 'All Good Things...' right?
???
The goal with Generations was to have Kirk and Picard team up. You lose that by using a new character instead.
Star Trek needs to appeal to the masses for its own survival. Even Gene Roddenberry knew this.
yep, sending a new character to the pseudo heavens makes no sense at all - you need a 'demi god' for that
60+ start to die off. by now trek needed more than one new generation (of fans) to survive or be a thing for retirement homes soon
Definitely. Give me some new flavor in Trek.
Nothing ruined. Just potential for a new enjoyment. Like me with Kelvin Trek as an additional enjoyment not experienced since TOS.
How so? The lines are literally drawn everywhere and constantly shift.
If something can appear in any given place for the most arbitrary of reasons, surely it's impossible to be surprised by them?
It is not. As much as I would love to not be surprised by Trek opinions I am on the regular, especially the way older Trek's are acceptable as Trek no matter what.
(Some) Trekkers are contrary, no surprise there.
I thought that was a bold and new decision and took the Kelvin Verse in a new direction, too bad it died cuz JJ lost interest after Paramount's mishandling of the IP.
We kinda got that in PIC S3. And no matter how far we go unless it's beyond 32nd century in the timeline everything can be ignored now cuz DSC and very soon Starfleet Academy.
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