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TMP Appreciation

I like the designs of other space objects quite a lot. I was looking for some 3D models of the travel pod and the orbital office and thought they would have been cool to see again. I love the Epsilon IX station and the comm chatter. The Klingon encounter. The world feels so big and weird. But one they get on the Enterprise it feels so claustrophobic.
I love that the ship feels like a space submarine. It adds to the realism for me. Once yhe ship starts looking like a space cruise ship, or hotel, I think the characters start to drift and become increasingly unprofessional. I love the professionalism in TMP, even the in-fighting feels appropriate to the high pressure situation.
 
I love that the ship feels like a space submarine. It adds to the realism for me. Once yhe ship starts looking like a space cruise ship, or hotel, I think the characters start to drift and become increasingly unprofessional. I love the professionalism in TMP, even the in-fighting feels appropriate to the high pressure situation.
Oh I love the ship design too. I just meant I wish there was more movement of the characters outside the ship into other locations once the film gets going. I feel like in TWOK onwards we see different locales, even if in TWOK it's just Reliant or Regula One or the Genesis cave. In TMP once they get on the ship I feel like they never get out until they go talk to V'Ger.
 
It makes me sad knowing that many, if not most the actors, producers etc of TMP regard it as a failure. To me it’s the absolute quintessence of Star Trek…the Star Trekkiest Star Trek that ever did trek.
 
It makes me sad knowing that many, if not most the actors, producers etc of TMP regard it as a failure. To me it’s the absolute quintessence of Star Trek…the Star Trekkiest Star Trek that ever did trek.
It's a flawed masterpiece. I prefer it to 2001 because that just has so little character interaction, even if it is a bit higher concept. They could probably have jazzed TMP up a bit if a proper landing party had gone inside V'Ger and interacted with some holographic obstacles, but it would probably have involved the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy sick bay scene taking place in a shuttle so that the characters could transition from there to V'Ger's brain.

The movie made a lot of money, but it was very expensive. Many of the people who worked on it are incredibly proud and justifiably so. It was made in the 70s but still looks gorgeous.
 
I like the designs of other space objects quite a lot. I was looking for some 3D models of the travel pod and the orbital office and thought they would have been cool to see again. I love the Epsilon IX station and the comm chatter. The Klingon encounter. The world feels so big and weird. But one they get on the Enterprise it feels so claustrophobic.
Fortunately, we did get to see appearances of the orbital office (albeit flipped upside down) in both TWOK and TNG, and the travel pod made an occasional re-occurance as well. I agree, the design from TMP was just phenomenal. I'm sorry, I know it is blasphemous to say, but I really think things went downhill somewhat when ILM got involved. The fact that they preferred the Excelsior to the refit Enterprise? Ugh.
 
It makes me sad knowing that many, if not most the actors, producers etc of TMP regard it as a failure. To me it’s the absolute quintessence of Star Trek…the Star Trekkiest Star Trek that ever did trek.
Actors are definitely not the best judge of the works they are in, and often others such as producers and directors are not as well. For example, Leonard Nimoy consistently said that TMP was all about flashy visual effects and contained nothing about the characters. I hear that and feel like we are thinking about two different movies. I think there was enormous character development in TMP that formed a logical path to where we see the characters later in life in TWOK and beyond. Yes, the effects got a lot of attention, particularly with Doug Trumbull's "first person cinema" approach, but that's hardly all TMP is.
 
Fortunately, we did get to see appearances of the orbital office (albeit flipped upside down) in both TWOK and TNG, and the travel pod made an occasional re-occurance as well. I agree, the design from TMP was just phenomenal. I'm sorry, I know it is blasphemous to say, but I really think things went downhill somewhat when ILM got involved. The fact that they preferred the Excelsior to the refit Enterprise? Ugh.
I could be wrong but I interpret ILMs statement being about the models, not the ship design as such. Apparently that Enteprise model was hard to work with. I think I read the same sentiment expressed about the Reliant model, that since they built it or were involved in its construction it was easy to use.
 
Actors are definitely not the best judge of the works they are in, and often others such as producers and directors are not as well. For example, Leonard Nimoy consistently said that TMP was all about flashy visual effects and contained nothing about the characters. I hear that and feel like we are thinking about two different movies. I think there was enormous character development in TMP that formed a logical path to where we see the characters later in life in TWOK and beyond. Yes, the effects got a lot of attention, particularly with Doug Trumbull's "first person cinema" approach, but that's hardly all TMP is.
It's especially weird for Nimoy to say that, as I consider TMP one of the most important "Spock" stories in the entire franchise. I think his character arc in the film is beautifully done, and he is easily the most important character and the thread that binds the film together thematically.
 
It's especially weird for Nimoy to say that, as I consider TMP one of the most important "Spock" stories in the entire franchise. I think his character arc in the film is beautifully done, and he is easily the most important character and the thread that binds the film together thematically.
Nimoy appreciated the supporting cast much more than Shatner, so maybe he was referring to the other cast interactions, where we get only a smattering in the first half an hour and then a lot of procedural dialogue.
 
Here are a couple of Nimoy's direct quotes on the matter:

"[T]he making of that first movie was very dispiriting; very depressing. We had a bad script. A bad script that just never worked. It was always a struggle to figure out how to bring some life to this project."

"The pendulum swung completely when that first movie came along from being an actor- and character-oriented Star Trek to an effects-oriented Star Trek. And the feeling was, 'well we didn't have the money before, now we've got the money we've gotta give them a big effects movie.' So it was all about the ship, the ship, the ship and this effect and that effect and we're going through this thing and now we're going through that thing. Nothing about the characters. So it was frustrating and depressing. Very painful."

Again, I just don't see it. I feel like we're looking at two different movies. Yes, of course, they spent a lot of time and money on giving good visual effects that couldn't be had in the TV series. However, I don't feel like that was to the exclusion of the characters. Quite the contrary. I thought the story served the characters, and particularly the "big three," very well. Spock in particular had tons of character development.

Also, I think it's often forgotten that some of the "starship porn" of the Enterprise, particularly the long sequence with Kirk and Scotty in the travel pod, were not just visual effects feasts but were actually about the character of Kirk. We're seeing the Enterprise as Kirk is seeing her. And we realize that this is his one true love affair and what has been missing from his life.

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TMP? One of my favorite all time films. I usually watch it about twice a year.
 
To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed in that. It was a unique artifact of the SLV that I grew up with. Part of me wishes they'd left it.

I was on this side until I saw it. You can only do this in 4:3. In wide screen it's more stage than set. So, I get it. There was no good answer and this was the least bad.
 
Movies? A lot of TNG was dictated by TMP.

There's TMP echoes in JJ! AND the Disco shows! Circular docking ports and Aztec patterned hulls just. Will. Not. Die.

It's especially weird for Nimoy to say that, as I consider TMP one of the most important "Spock" stories in the entire franchise. I think his character arc in the film is beautifully done, and he is easily the most important character and the thread that binds the film together thematically.

The story goes that Nimoy was VERY unhappy that the tears scene was cut. He relaxed a little bit about TMP after the DE came out in 2001.

But seriously: It is THE Spock movie. Co-starring Kirk (even if he does have more screen time).
 
I was on this side until I saw it. You can only do this in 4:3. In wide screen it's more stage than set. So, I get it. There was no good answer and this was the least bad.

I do wish they had included the original 4:3 SLV cut of the film. It really wouldn't take up that much space on the disc.
 
That would be... Something. :) But hey, I'm the guy who still divides all of his digital music of classic albums by "sides" so who am I to judge?

I am someone who doesn't mind updates to material, the more the merrier, at the same time I want the original version to also be easily available for those who are interested.
 
I am someone who doesn't mind updates to material, the more the merrier, at the same time I want the original version to also be easily available for those who are interested.

Well, the original untouched scene is available on the disc. Just not as part of the movie.
 
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