Why isn't Star Trek a big movie franchise?

[TRON JA307020]

That could also be fun, but even if you ditch the "mad captain" plot device... you've got a movie about a machine that EATS FUCKING PLANETS. I mean, dude, there's your first half right there!

Come to think of it, the old Star Trek scroller on the original Game Boy had that same basic plot: the planet killer was rampaging through the galaxy and you had to gather up pieces of some ancient weapon to be able to stop it. I never did finish that game; kept getting eaten by the cloud creature on level 2.

LOL! I remember that game. More fun then ST:Beyond.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

Didn'

Not so much if the Guardian of Forever is just a McGuffin the crew has to find before a competing Klingon or Romulan ship gets there.

Maybe add a twist ending: after spending the entire movie battling hurricanes, jumping rooftop to rooftop in ancient mugato-infested ruins, battling thresher maws on some god-forsaken desert planet and trading photon torpedoes with a Romulan battlecruiser, the Romulans still beat the Enterprise to the gate and Kirk has to go back in time to try and stop them. He arrives in the 1960s in a crowd, sees the Romulan commander setting up to attack... and realizes her target is JFK.

Didn't "Red Dwarf" do that..?

 

[Khan 2.0]

That could also be fun, but even if you ditch the "mad captain" plot device... you've got a movie about a machine that EATS FUCKING PLANETS. I mean, dude, there's your first half right there!

Come to think of it, the old Star Trek scroller on the original Game Boy had that same basic plot: the planet killer was rampaging through the galaxy and you had to gather up pieces of some ancient weapon to be able to stop it. I never did finish that game; kept getting eaten by the cloud creature on level 2.

LOL! I remember that game. More fun then ST:Beyond.

maybe that's what Beyond should been - more a celebration of everything TOS like a big screen version of the game. similar plot of the Ent vs the Doomsday Machine trying to stop it despite the klingons and encountering all sorts of TOS stuff along the way -cloud killer, gorns, romulans, tholians, duplicate Kirk, Garth, Losira, Charlie, balok, guardian etc all the iconic TOS stuff linked in a gigantic mash up. they put stuff like that in that 25th anniversary game (and others like it) to appeal to fans and everyone maybe that's what shudve happened for the 50th anniversary movie

 

[fireproof78]

That first movie it seemed to me like they were a bunch of college kids playing with shiny computers.

That's just the point Star Trek is a business and should be making money. The first movie made money, the second made less and the third broke even. So far the business model for NuTrek is starting to falter. The 4th film needs to get them away from anything Starfleet. Lets see the crew out there on their own exploring. The Yorktown just gave the crew another excuse to crash a starship into a federation and civilian populated area. Lets see something different next time.

I still don't know which "first film" you watched. College kids maybe but certainly not playing.

The business model would not have faltered if they wouldn't keep fumbling the marketing, and the timing. Attention spans are too short for them to do the 4 year gap.

Also, they'll do something new and different for 4 and there will be complaints about wanting it like "old Trek."

Which leads me to

I'm not sure about this one. It certainly seems true to me as a Star Trek fan first and foremost who interacts with other Star Trek fans first and foremost. But the thing is, there was a time when I was something of a Star Wars fan, and I remember how savage some of those people could be toward the prequels and George Lucas and anyone who disagreed with them. And I hear anecdotes from my sister, a huge Harry Potter fan, about over-the-top negative reactions to The Cursed Child. And anecdotes from my cousin, a big Doctor Who fan, about other fans of that property frothing at the mouth over Steven Moffat. I think this kind of bad behavior is common to fanbases and exacerbated by the internet.

Having been a part of the Star Wars community much longer than the Trek one, I can attest to this fact. The arguments between both sides could be brutal, and the amount of mud slinging at Lucas himself still rings in Internet halls, with tales of songs and battles long ago.

Fandom is an interesting mix, and Star Trek is not unique in the rejection of something new. My dad, a TOS fan, has never seen anything except TOS, the TOS films and the Kelvin universe films. That is the Star Trek he enjoys.

You can head over to the Star Wars sub-forum to see the back and forth there about the Prequels It will continue on for a while as more people discover them from Rebels and Clone Wars. The main issue I see is a lack of empathy and pure emotion.

LOL! I remember that game. More fun then ST:Beyond.

Star Trek is not supposed to be fun.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Star Trek is not supposed to be fun.

What? Since when? Because TOS was certainly fun! Maybe not Lost-In-Space-fun or Star-Wars-fun, but fun nevertheless!

 

[fireproof78]

What? Since when? Because TOS was certainly fun! Maybe not Lost-In-Space-fun or Star-Wars-fun, but fun nevertheless!

I have no idea, but that's what I keep hearing.

 

[TRON JA307020]

maybe that's what Beyond should been - more a celebration of everything TOS like a big screen version of the game. similar plot of the Ent vs the Doomsday Machine trying to stop it despite the klingons and encountering all sorts of TOS stuff along the way -cloud killer, gorns, romulans, tholians, duplicate Kirk, Garth, Losira, Charlie, balok, guardian etc all the iconic TOS stuff linked in a gigantic mash up. they put stuff like that in that 25th anniversary game (and others like it) to appeal to fans and everyone maybe that's what shudve happened for the 50th anniversary movie

Now that sounds cool!

 

[Crazy Eddie]

maybe that's what Beyond should been - more a celebration of everything TOS like a big screen version of the game. similar plot of the Ent vs the Doomsday Machine trying to stop it despite the klingons and encountering all sorts of TOS stuff along the way -cloud killer, gorns, romulans, tholians, duplicate Kirk, Garth, Losira, Charlie, balok, guardian etc all the iconic TOS stuff linked in a gigantic mash up. they put stuff like that in that 25th anniversary game (and others like it) to appeal to fans and everyone maybe that's what shudve happened for the 50th anniversary movie

Come to think of it, that wouldn't be a bad idea for a 50th anniversary game either. Assuming they got a studio who could do a really good job of it and not just crank out some half-assed piece of shit knowing that Paramount is going to pay them for the work no matter what...

 

[Amaris]

Moichandising. Star Trek hasn't been exploited to remotely the same level as Star Wars, and as we all know, moichandising is where the real money from the movie is made.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Moichandising. Star Trek hasn't been exploited to remotely the same level as Star Wars, and as we all know, moichandising is where the real money from the movie is made.

The star trek merchandising of the 70s was the best. The mego figures and playsets. The transporter one of th emost sought after toys from TOS Trek style toys.

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[fireproof78]

Moichandising. Star Trek hasn't been exploited to remotely the same level as Star Wars, and as we all know, moichandising is where the real money from the movie is made.

It's also were the real fun was for being a younger fan. I can recall going from Payless, to K-mart and all around town and seeing such a different mix at different places. My friend had the TNG Bridge, shuttle and transporter room, which led to a lot of fun for us.

 

[Amaris]

The star trek merchandising of the 70s was the best. The mego figures and playsets. The transporter one of th emost sought after toys from TOS Trek style toys.

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Yep. Some of those Mego toys were nothing short of brilliant, because it was uncharted territory, and they were making it up on the fly. I think they did rather well, all things considered.

It's also were the real fun was for being a younger fan. I can recall going from Payless, to K-mart and all around town and seeing such a different mix at different places. My friend had the TNG Bridge, shuttle and transporter room, which led to a lot of fun for us.

Yes! I still have my TNG transporter playset. I used to have the large light up Enterprise A, and Enterprise D. I had the large light up Deep Space Nine, too, but these are now long gone. They didn't outlast my childhood, which is fine by me in one aspect, because it means they were well loved and well used.