Stargate SG1 show. any fans?

[Admiral2]

I just watched the movie again not long ago. In the movie it is specified that Ra's PEOPLE were dying, until Ra found Earth.

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Ra is not the only survivor of his species in the movie, he's just the only one we see. This is not a retcon. Likely other members of his race would have been encountered in the sequels.

I think the TV show producers took the "like a parasite" line a little literally when making the TV show versions, but there is nothing in the movie to contradict the Goa'ulds natural appearance in the show either. There's no reason the Alien form we see has to be the original Goa'uld form - it's is just a visual representations of Daniel telling the story (Daniel doesn't know what the Goa'uld look like) and even if the flash is true, there's no reason not to suspect that's not just another host body, one that's failing.

There were two more movies planned that Emmerich and Devlin kept attempting to start once in awhile, most recently around the time of the Independence Day sequel. However, with that bombing, the Stargate sequels were completely abandoned. Emmerich confirmed this in the last week doing press for Moonfall.

The sequel movies were abandoned, but several of the ideas that would have been in them were contained in two direct sequel books. In those, there are other "gods," but they were non possessed human beings, like his guards. The Goa'uld may not be inconsistent with what was said in the movie, but you can't say that they were what Devlin and Emmerich intended either, which makes the Goa'uld a reimagining at best. There is no direct evidence in the movie that Ra's dying race was a bunch of predator mouth eels. I stand by what I said.

 

[fireproof78]

It's been forever, but I remember the SG1 team encountering other Aliens that T'ealc reveals were also used as hosts for the Goa'uld before humans but didn't work as well, so the show supports multiple different species as hosts.

The Unas. They were a cool species. Sokar, who liked to play the Devil, had an Unas host initially.

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[David cgc]

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I think the TV show producers took the "like a parasite" line a little literally when making the TV show versions, but there is nothing in the movie to contradict the Goa'ulds natural appearance in the show either. There's no reason the Alien form we see has to be the original Goa'uld form - it's is just a visual representations of Daniel telling the story (Daniel doesn't know what the Goa'uld look like) and even if the flash is true, there's no reason not to suspect that's not just another host body, one that's failing.

There is an implication at the very end that Ra's old body is physically within his human body, but that pretty much has to be figurative, because it wouldn't fit, and he'd look more like the Edgar Suit in Men in Black than a flamboyantly dressed icon of unblemished youth. Also, it would contradict the part about human bodies being easier for his sarcophagus to repair than his original/prior body, if it was just a superficial thing and his original senescent Roswell body was still there, just hidden.

 

[wayoung]

The sequel movies were abandoned, but several of the ideas that would have been in them were contained in two direct sequel books. In those, there are other "gods," but they were non possessed human beings, like his guards. The Goa'uld may not be inconsistent with what was said in the movie, but you can't say that they were what Devlin and Emmerich intended either, which makes the Goa'uld a reimagining at best. There is no direct evidence in the movie that Ra's dying race was a bunch of predator mouth eels. I stand by what I said.

The only thing said ON SCREEN is that Ra's people were dying before Ra found Earth, not that they died. There is nothing in the movie to say that Ra is the only one of his species.

I don't believe the TV version of the Goa'uld is what the plan for them was either, but there's nothing to contradict them which needs a retcon.

 

[wayoung]

There is an implication at the very end that Ra's old body is physically within his human body, but that pretty much has to be figurative, because it wouldn't fit, and he'd look more like the Edgar Suit in Men in Black than a flamboyantly dressed icon of unblemished youth. Also, it would contradict the part about human bodies being easier for his sarcophagus to repair than his original/prior body, if it was just a superficial thing and his original senescent Roswell body was still there, just hidden.

My take from the movie was it was a mind transfer, and the bit at the end was representative of how Ra still saw himself as he died.

 

[fireproof78]

The only thing said ON SCREEN is that Ra's people were dying before Ra found Earth, not that they died. There is nothing in the movie to say that Ra is the only one of his species.

I don't believe the TV version of the Goa'uld is what the plan for them was either, but there's nothing to contradict them which needs a retcon.

I would encourage anyone who wants to explore an alternative view of the Stargate universe to pick up the sequel books from the film itself, rather than the series. I believe there are six in all.

And a quick Amazon search shows I need to remember the titles.

 

[wayoung]

I would encourage anyone who wants to explore an alternative view of the Stargate universe to pick up the sequel books from the film itself, rather than the series. I believe there are six in all.

And a quick Amazon search shows I need to remember the titles.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is the "movie sequel books" were based on old production notes from the first film, and not actually from the sequel plans pitched by Devlin & Emmerich, and that D&E had nothing to do with the books. So it's kinda "fan fiction" based on notes and not representative of what the sequel films might have been - especially since they came out like 20 years before Emmerich's final attempt to make the films.

I'm sure they're interesting though

 

[fireproof78]

I may be wrong, but my understanding is the "movie sequel books" were based on old production notes from the first film, and not actually from the sequel plans pitched by Devlin & Emmerich, and that D&E had nothing to do with the books. So it's kinda "fan fiction" based on notes and not representative of what the sequel films might have been - especially since they came out like 20 years before Emmerich's final attempt to make the films.

I'm sure they're interesting though

I just look at it like an alternative take to a familiar world. Which I like.

 

[Farscape One]

The Unas. They were a cool species. Sokar, who liked to play the Devil, had an Unas host initially.

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I always loved episodes that had the Unas. "ENEMY MINE" was especially great.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Unas. They were a cool species. Sokar, who liked to play the Devil, had an Unas host initially.

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I always liked the way Teal'c declares "The First One is dead" in that scene. Don't know why, but it just feels so perfect in that moment.

 

[Admiral2]

The only thing said ON SCREEN is that Ra's people were dying before Ra found Earth, not that they died. There is nothing in the movie to say that Ra is the only one of his species.

I don't believe the TV version of the Goa'uld is what the plan for them was either, but there's nothing to contradict them which needs a retcon.

And I acknowledged that. You're picking a fight where there is none.

Whatever you call the change, the change was necessary. I get that. I'm not diminishing the series because of it. I like the series, okay? All ten seasons of it. You don't think it's a retcon. I do. It doesn't matter either way, because both the movie and the series were excellent, and both had just what they needed to be that way

So truce, okay? Let's just go back to celebrating the awesomeness of SG-1.

 

[fireproof78]

I always liked the way Teal'c declares "The First One is dead" in that scene. Don't know why, but it just feels so perfect in that moment.

It feels suitably epic and almost Shakespearian in the proclamation. Like, if someone where to say "Now he belongs to the ages" or something similarly grandiose it would be perfectly in place.

It's scenes like that that illustrate SG--1's efforts to have a balance of very super serious and fun at the same time. The epic style of Teal'c delivery, contrasted with O'Neill's snark and use of an automatic weapon.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

I love SG1 (the O'Neill 1-8 seasons) and liked SGU, never watched or got into SGA or the SG1 season 9 & 10.
These are my favorte SG1 episodes I rewatch every now and then.
bold "pairs" best watched in one go each.
Still sad the "O'Neill centric" Stargate DVD movie never came to be.

1.09 Thor’s Hammer
1.10 The Torrment of Tantalus
1.11 Bloodlines
1.13 The Nox
1.20 There but for the Grace of God
1.21 Politics
1.22 Within the Serpent’s Grasp
2.01 the Seprent’s Lair
2.06 Thor’s Charriot
2.16 The Fifth Race
2.22 Out of Mind
3.01 Into the Fire
3.03 Fair Game
3.10 Forever in a Day
3.15 Pretense
3.18 Shades of Grey
3.20 Maternal Instinct
3.22 Nemesis
4.01 Small Victories
4.06 Window of Opportunity
4.12 Tanget
4.14 The Serpent’s Venom
4.15 Chain Reacation
5.21 Meridian
5.22 Revelations
6.08 The Other Guys
6.19 The Changeling
7.17 + 7.18 Heroes Pt1 + Pt2
7.20 Inaguration
8.16 + 8.17 Reckoning Pt1 + Pt2
8.18 Threads

 

[Farscape One]

"WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY" is on virtually everyone's favorite episode list, and with good reason.

The episode has the comedy part, and you get RDA with a heartfelt dramatic ending when he explains why he understands the guy doing what he did.

Best of both worlds.

 

[The Wormhole]

The irony is a majority of Window of Opportunity's funnier scenes only came about because they needed to pad the episode out at the last minute.

 

[Farscape One]

Time crunches can work really well sometimes. TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" was produced pretty much at the last minute, and cobbled together by different writers. And look how awesome that episode turned out.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm watching The Nox right now.

Anyone else watch this episode and wish O'Neall would go on a rant. "Oh yeah, it's easy to be high minded and peaceful when you CAN DEFEND YOURSELVES. Of COURSE we tried just talking to them first. If we don't learn how to defend ourselves they will definitely come murder us and enslave our race. Let's see how peaceful you are when you meet a race with better technology than you you smug assholes."

 

[DonIago]

I think "Between Two Fires" would ultimately cover that ground, somewhat tragically really.

 

[dupersuper]

Plus i was skimming through the rest of Seasons 2 to 4 on Netflix. Most of the episodes are just filler episodes

Filler episodes are not a thing. They were just episodes.

the show was supposed to be about Apophis and Daniel trying to get his wife back

"supposed to"?

While I don't agree that they retconned everything I do think they adjusted the mythology to better suit the story they wanted to tell, especially with the Goa'uld.

That said, I 100% agree that they did a better job exploring the planet of the week than TNG did and sometimes TOS. Largely because they utilized the Goa'uld and Asgard aliens to explain human style civilizations across the galaxy. By and large, it worked a lot better.

Except the fact that they had no universal translator plot device, but every one from these ancient human civilizations spoke perfect English...a fact that really stood out like a sore thumb since they were taking a linguistic expert with them.

I just look at it like an alternative take to a familiar world. Which I like.

Just think of it as an alternate timeline through the quantum mirror...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Except the fact that they had no universal translator plot device, but every one from these ancient human civilizations spoke perfect English...

I thought there was some kind of translator mechanism built into the Stargate network?