Rethinking TMP....
- Thread starter Warped9
- Start date
Nacelles are probably the toughest thing to do--getting just the right look.
Just above my post here on turning 2D art into 3D shapes: http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthr...tle-People-video-hoaxes&p=2349131#post2349131
There are some folks who look to do some similar work. You might want to contact them to see if you can pop your sketch--or make Minor's art pop out of the sceen directly--and work with that somehow. http://www.faculty.idc.ac.il/arik/site/3Sweep.asp
You might want to contact Lord Sarvain here (of the nice McQuarrie design and the like.)
His art has a fullness that you look to be going for. Maybe he could do nacelles.
Shaw's Tikopai-like TMP approach was closer to the TOS E--and it looks like you are trying to go even closer.
Some eye candy that might help you with joins
http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/longer-thinnger-wings-using-struts-for.html
There is an artist who calls himself Feyman--who looked to how wings and such are attached to the fuselage of an airplane.
He abandoned that in part--but still had a very pleasing take:
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=startrekscalemod;id=5;url=http://www.feymanshipyards.com/
The Metaluna evoked the spirit of the F-86 Sabre.
Something you might need to look at; The Crusader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
Look at that tailfin--at the supercriticalwing some wanted. Walk around in that a bit--you'll get there.
Lastly--my only gripe is the aft docking port on the bridge--it seems a little abruptt--shaved off. That's good for the refit--but not so much here. Aridas solved this problem with his Dreadnaught--with it a bit more teardrop shaped with two docking ports to either side. I always wanted antennas and or an escape pod there.
Or maybe a gangway? The Crusader has this Variable-incidence wing/shoulder mount
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-incidence_wing
I'd like to see something like that behind the bridge--atop the B/C deck. That keeps everything smooth.
VIPs go directly into the bridge there--without having to see any other crew.
Most of the crew can enter via shuttlebay. I seem to remember art here showing a TOS ship backed up to a huge shaft that filled the whole of the shuttlebay--larger than even the saucer's port gangway.
I don't know that I want travel pods or shuttles flying near my bridge: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Travel_pod_model
So--in spacedock--you have that main shaft--and a separate gangway that descends from an overhead to the aft of the bridge. Command crew and such only.
This way--you can keep your hull smooth and divot free.
Maybe one dockport ring right in the very nose? With two small circular deflectors to either side--to emulate the three circles we saw on the leading edge of the saucer in the TOS Ent.
Or--maybe one right in the center of the sec-hulls dish?
Off Topic:
We see computers that can now do their own Rembrants--shades of Moravec's paradox
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3058708...mbrandt-and-it-looks-just-like-the-real-thing https://www.nextrembrandt.com/
I'd love to see them do that with starship blueprints.
Just above my post here on turning 2D art into 3D shapes: http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthr...tle-People-video-hoaxes&p=2349131#post2349131
There are some folks who look to do some similar work. You might want to contact them to see if you can pop your sketch--or make Minor's art pop out of the sceen directly--and work with that somehow. http://www.faculty.idc.ac.il/arik/site/3Sweep.asp
You might want to contact Lord Sarvain here (of the nice McQuarrie design and the like.)
His art has a fullness that you look to be going for. Maybe he could do nacelles.
Shaw's Tikopai-like TMP approach was closer to the TOS E--and it looks like you are trying to go even closer.
Some eye candy that might help you with joins
http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/longer-thinnger-wings-using-struts-for.html
There is an artist who calls himself Feyman--who looked to how wings and such are attached to the fuselage of an airplane.
He abandoned that in part--but still had a very pleasing take:
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=startrekscalemod;id=5;url=http://www.feymanshipyards.com/
The Metaluna evoked the spirit of the F-86 Sabre.
Something you might need to look at; The Crusader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
Look at that tailfin--at the supercriticalwing some wanted. Walk around in that a bit--you'll get there.
Lastly--my only gripe is the aft docking port on the bridge--it seems a little abruptt--shaved off. That's good for the refit--but not so much here. Aridas solved this problem with his Dreadnaught--with it a bit more teardrop shaped with two docking ports to either side. I always wanted antennas and or an escape pod there.
Or maybe a gangway? The Crusader has this Variable-incidence wing/shoulder mount
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-incidence_wing
I'd like to see something like that behind the bridge--atop the B/C deck. That keeps everything smooth.
VIPs go directly into the bridge there--without having to see any other crew.
Most of the crew can enter via shuttlebay. I seem to remember art here showing a TOS ship backed up to a huge shaft that filled the whole of the shuttlebay--larger than even the saucer's port gangway.
I don't know that I want travel pods or shuttles flying near my bridge: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Travel_pod_model
So--in spacedock--you have that main shaft--and a separate gangway that descends from an overhead to the aft of the bridge. Command crew and such only.
This way--you can keep your hull smooth and divot free.
Maybe one dockport ring right in the very nose? With two small circular deflectors to either side--to emulate the three circles we saw on the leading edge of the saucer in the TOS Ent.
Or--maybe one right in the center of the sec-hulls dish?
Off Topic:
We see computers that can now do their own Rembrants--shades of Moravec's paradox
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3058708...mbrandt-and-it-looks-just-like-the-real-thing https://www.nextrembrandt.com/
I'd love to see them do that with starship blueprints.
Last edited:
A lot of it has to do with what one thinks the functions are of the nacelles' various components. I was never fond of the whole "Bussard collector" concept. So assigning that function to the "bow" of the nacelles did not make sense to me. It also depends on what kind of capabilities you are assigning to the new ship. Is she supposed to be a major leap forward in technology, as was vaguely suggested by TMP? If so, do the new nacelles represent a major leap in propulsion technology and ability? If so, the configuration would have to reflect that shift. But if she's just going to be a major refinement of existing technology, you might come up with something like Icy_Penguigo's "X-Technology" ships, with highly evolved TOS-style nacelles.
The "Phase II" nacelles seen in concept art in the late 1970's always suggested to me that the Federation pursued a major technology shift, perhaps embracing Klingon ("better than Warp 7") propulsion concepts. So, it a way, the refit Enterprise was the Federation's direct answer to K'T'inga; the two ship classes were obviously built to compete in terms of capabilities, including warp-seed performance.
The "Phase II" nacelles seen in concept art in the late 1970's always suggested to me that the Federation pursued a major technology shift, perhaps embracing Klingon ("better than Warp 7") propulsion concepts. So, it a way, the refit Enterprise was the Federation's direct answer to K'T'inga; the two ship classes were obviously built to compete in terms of capabilities, including warp-seed performance.
Essentially I didn't care for the style of the TMP nacelles even though they fit with the rest of the reinterpreted exterior. And the TMP nacelles were a refinement of MJ's initial Phase II design.
The new looking tech does whatever you want it to do given it's all fictional. Presently I'm exploring a more cylindrical concept that updates the familiar TOS design in something more streamlined and updated. It's something roughly inspired by the nacelles I did for a conceptual TOS shuttlecraft design.
The new looking tech does whatever you want it to do given it's all fictional. Presently I'm exploring a more cylindrical concept that updates the familiar TOS design in something more streamlined and updated. It's something roughly inspired by the nacelles I did for a conceptual TOS shuttlecraft design.
This is by no means finalized, but it does give me an overall feel for the main components. And there is lotsof detailing to go to flesh things out.
I generally like the nacelles and I'm thinking of the detailing to realize them more fully. The support pylons look to be about the right size and shape, but the cross-section shape needs to be modifed so they look slimmer at the leading and trailing edges.
I generally like the nacelles and I'm thinking of the detailing to realize them more fully. The support pylons look to be about the right size and shape, but the cross-section shape needs to be modifed so they look slimmer at the leading and trailing edges.
It will certainly be detailed, but not exactly like TOS.
I actually liked the Vengeance type naccle pylons--more gull like than swan like. Excalibur in STO had the nacelles wide at the base and narrow towards the top.
But what you have does seem closest to TOS. Your use of lines seems to invoke a certain feel. I can almost see M-5's display at the front of your nacelle in a narrow zone.
But what you have does seem closest to TOS. Your use of lines seems to invoke a certain feel. I can almost see M-5's display at the front of your nacelle in a narrow zone.
To be honest one thing I really missed on the TMP refit were the spinning lighted domes of the TOS nacelles. Those animated domes gave the ship an extra dimension of life and sense of exotic energies at work. They really helped bring MJ's design to life.
It's interesting to note that no subsequent Trek design ever utiluzed such a simple or similar effect and in some respects I think they were poorer for it. No matter how cool the design might be it still could seem rather static. But the TOS spinning domes made the ship seem active even when it wasn't in motion.
It's interesting to note that no subsequent Trek design ever utiluzed such a simple or similar effect and in some respects I think they were poorer for it. No matter how cool the design might be it still could seem rather static. But the TOS spinning domes made the ship seem active even when it wasn't in motion.
Last edited:
The current design I'm exploring could easily have the spinning domes added to the fore section. I will try it at some point.
My evolving nacelle and support pylon.
Are you planning to do a nose cone with a partial view of the spinning machinery underneath? That's an interesting idea I don't think I've seen before.
Brian
Actually that was pretty much what I was thinking to see what ir might look like.
My evolving nacelle and support pylon.
I really like the kind of marriage of the shape of the TOS nacelles with what your'e doing with them here.
I really like the way this is going. I'm working on something similar to modify the PL 1/350 model into. It's sort of a combination of the refit as originally constructed and the simplicity of the TOS E. Like you, the engines aren't exactly how I want. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
