How big was the Enterprise?

[Tallguy]

It has to do with internet security stuff (an image from an unencrypted server can't be loaded on an encrypted page like this forum). If you right-click and open the image in a new window, it'll work.

I didn't even realize it was an image. Thanks.

Also: Cool!

 

[blssdwlf]

I did this up some years ago. This is the refit superimposed on the building I worked in. The building was almost a million square feet, single-level, with about 900 employees. Probably doesn't mean much if you didn't work there, but it gave me a good idea of the ship's size.

@Forbin - not sure you are aware but the security cert for your website is showing as no longer valid and you might want to look at it.

 

[Roundabout]

The finders backed out of the agreement, and sued Heritage Auctions for violating fiduciary duty (allegedly being biased in favor of Roddenberry). Final owner ship of the model is pending the resolution of the lawsuit. Everyone have been tight lipped about it, but I'm pretty sure Heritage still has physical possession.

...These are the voyages of the 33 inch model Enterprise, it's ongoing mission to seek out whom it belongs to...

If that is what is really happening, I guess it's another twist in the story of the 33 inch model Enterprise.

 

[aridas sofia]

That hourglass gesture had been symbolic of "woman" for... well, lord knows how many decades at that point. It was perfectly clear to everyone at the time. It kinda boggles me that anyone wouldn't understand it today, or would try to rationalize a different meaning.

Yeah of course that is what was intended. My point was if we are going to engage in rationalizing TOS details based on what was developed for later series, we might as well say it can mean anything at all. The discussion as I understood it was to ascertain some in-universe idea of how the ship layout and stated mission mesh. A Klingon battlecruiser presumably has a very different mission from a Federation starship. Also, even if Koloth is saying his ship doesn’t have the luxuries of a starship and singles out women as a graphic example, that doesn't change the fact the statement itself has broader meaning. He didn’t say “our ships don’t have women for our warriors to molest like yours does, so we need this station to find some puttana”. He says they don’t have non-essentials - plural.

 

[publiusr]

Sombra class from SNW that looks very similar to a Constitution:

Loknar is another class from FASA, I believe.

Not accurate—but I like that better

 

[BK613]

That hourglass gesture had been symbolic of "woman" for... well, lord knows how many decades at that point. It was perfectly clear to everyone at the time. It kinda boggles me that anyone wouldn't understand it today, or would try to rationalize a different meaning.

Yeah, you have to do some serious contorting of the words, body language and delivery to make it mean anything else. The issue then becomes how to reconcile the claim against what was shown later in another episode without changing the original meaning and intent, IMO.

 

[Henoch]

Yeah, you have to do some serious contorting of the words, body language and delivery to make it mean anything else. The issue then becomes how to reconcile the claim against what was shown later in another episode without changing the original meaning and intent, IMO.

Obviously, K-7 has a large "red light district".

 

[BK613]

Obviously, K-7 has a large "red light district".

Or an over-abundance of legally-licensed 'love instructors.'

 

[Tallguy]

Obviously, K-7 has a large "red light district".

Or an over-abundance of legally-licensed 'love instructors.'

Difference?

 

[blssdwlf]

Yeah, you have to do some serious contorting of the words, body language and delivery to make it mean anything else. The issue then becomes how to reconcile the claim against what was shown later in another episode without changing the original meaning and intent, IMO.

Kang has better pull than Koloth? And when the rest of the Klingons saw they can have certain luxuries...

 

[BK613]

Difference?

One's about profit and the other's about the Kama Sutra, maybe?
(Oh, and one was also meant to be a humorous dig at something GR wrote in the novel for TMP. And the other is not.)

Kang has better pull than Koloth? And when the rest of the Klingons saw they can have certain luxuries...

That is the thing, isn't it? There is a blank canvas for interpretation because we really aren't given a lot about the Klingons in TOS beyond the fact they are the brutal, devious bad guys our heroes must occasionally thwart.

 

[Tallguy]

Oh, and one is also meant to be a humorous dig at something GR wrote in the novel for TMP.

I'm aware. This is the third thread in a week where it has been mentioned. The instructor's name was James, BTW.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Yeah, you have to do some serious contorting of the words, body language and delivery to make it mean anything else. The issue then becomes how to reconcile the claim against what was shown later in another episode without changing the original meaning and intent, IMO.

How about this: Klingon Commanders like Kor and Kang are permitted women on their ships, but Captains like Koloth are required to do without female companionship aboard their ships, as a mark of their higher rank and discipline.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How about this: Klingon Commanders like Kor and Kang are permitted women on their ships, but Captains like Koloth are required to do without female companionship aboard their ships, as a mark of their higher rank and discipline.

The name of Koloth's ship was "He man woman hater's club". It sounds better in Klingon.

 

[BK613]

I'm aware.

A courtesy explanation because your one-word reply left some doubt about if you were. Not everyone has read the novel.

 

[Tallguy]

A courtesy explanation because your one-word reply left some doubt about if you were. Not everyone has read the novel.

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[B.J.]

I did this up some years ago. This is the refit superimposed on the building I worked in. The building was almost a million square feet, single-level, with about 900 employees. Probably doesn't mean much if you didn't work there, but it gave me a good idea of the ship's size.

FYI, the website https://parkmyspaceship.com/ can overlay the Enterprise and many other spacecraft over Google maps. It's mostly accurate, but I did find an error for the Space Shuttle. It lists it as 56m, but that's for the entire stack with external tank and boosters, the orbiter by itself should be 37m.

 

[Frontis]

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[Mike Farley]

I blame this to a bad batch of power couplings

Should have stopped at Deep Space Tosche Station to pick up some power converters.

 

[korblborp]

From TOS, all we saw was the Constitution-class. From TAS, all we saw was that plus the Antares? Is that it?

the bonaventure, robert april's first command