Its just set redressing the basic crew quarters for the needed shots, not indicating a shared space, as all of the TOS on-screen evidence available never revealed or hinted at anything other than single person crew quarters.
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Its just set redressing the basic crew quarters for the needed shots, not indicating a shared space, as all of the TOS on-screen evidence available never revealed or hinted at anything other than single person crew quarters.
At the very least, I think it's clear the intent of the episode is that Garrovick has smaller quarters than the Captain, which we see in the same episode.
I don't have a copy on hand, but I seem to recall that Gerrold (in his 1973 'making of' Trouble With Tribbles book) stated that the hand gesture was thought of after after the line was written in the script. I don't know whether it was Campbell's or someone else's idea.
Luxury is a matter of perception. If you can’t even afford taking a bus a guy on a bicycle has a luxury. If all you have is a bicycle someone with a used car has a luxury. Someone with a used car sees someone with a new car as having a luxury.
Today’s cars are equipped with all manner of things that at one time were considered luxury options including things taken for granted like automatic transmission, power steering, power brakes, a right hand mirror, tinted glass, rear defroster and so on.
We can assume if TOS had had more time and money they would have dressed their sets more, but we still have a 1960’s perception of what luxury would be for service personnel. TMP shows us a refit of the ship, but it doesn’t really look that much more luxurious than the TOS E, but looks more detailed.
It’s in TNG we see absurdly spacious areas for a service ship meant for the rigours of space exploration. But in TNG’s defence the original concept for the 1701D was that it would be “out there” for 10-20 years. Thats also why families were allowed aboard. But as the series played out that concept evaporated. As such a ship like the TOS or TMP E, or Picard’s Stargazer, could easily have done what the 1701D did.
Today’s cars are equipped with all manner of things that at one time were considered luxury options including things taken for granted like automatic transmission, power steering, power brakes, a right hand mirror, tinted glass, rear defroster and so on.
We can assume if TOS had had more time and money they would have dressed their sets more, but we still have a 1960’s perception of what luxury would be for service personnel. TMP shows us a refit of the ship, but it doesn’t really look that much more luxurious than the TOS E, but looks more detailed.
It’s in TNG we see absurdly spacious areas for a service ship meant for the rigours of space exploration. But in TNG’s defence the original concept for the 1701D was that it would be “out there” for 10-20 years. Thats also why families were allowed aboard. But as the series played out that concept evaporated. As such a ship like the TOS or TMP E, or Picard’s Stargazer, could easily have done what the 1701D did.
See. from an in universe perspective sending the mobile city out for diplomatic duties and first official contact scenerios actually makes sense:
'this is a model of the civilization that is reaching out to you. This is what our people are.'
Admittedly if I made one change to Voyager? I'd have made her a galaxy class. I mean the class itself even includes flex space for as needed facilities to be dropped in or fabricated.
You have all kinds of room to tell 'ship based' stories that would even include location shoots for the arboritums, civvie spaces, etc that TNG never showed but yo ucouldh ave safely assumed the Enterprise had.
Thank you. I'm sure the TOS cabins had all KINDS of "luxuries". I also wish we had been able to see more of the common spaces that the TOS production crew had in mind. Every Enterprise (starting with FJ and moving through TMP) has elaborated on this kind of idea.
What I think it's reasonable to say that the TOS crew would not have had is SPACE. But to vary on what has been said upthread: It's your QUARTERS, not your LUXURY CONDO.
Maybe this is a production issue (as the TOS hallways certainly were: much easier to film in) - but why not throw the kind of creative gusto into TOS quarters that one sees in the "tiny houses" movement. Again, same motivation: I do not LIVE in my house. I LIVE outside of my house, I sleep and maybe eat in my house.
Or they just redressed one-half of the cabin to save money on a FX heavy episode. After all, they made no effort to hide the fact that there was another side to the cabin—they even shoot from that side when Chapel visits—but they never actually show it because it is probably still dressed as Kirk's cabin.
I always loved that the common areas were shown bustling with activity.
That's a cool idea!
We can also see a bit of the other side of the cabin but cannot tell if there is a work area (like McGivers' cabin) or another bed for a roommate.
Or Scotty's, Spock's, or Rand's
If we are going to extrapolate by dragging in houses and other stuff from later series, it’s as likely Koloth waving his hands in an hourglass shape refers to time or hot tubs or the game of q’k’bloth as it does to women. Particularly since the absence of women aboard Klingon vessels is almost immediately contradicted.
Didn’t The Making of Star Trek have something to say about crew quarters being doubled up for the lower ranks?
Didn’t The Making of Star Trek have something to say about crew quarters being doubled up for the lower ranks?
Koloth's quote occurs in Season 2 and Kang's wife and other female Klingons appear in Season 3. A lot can change between seasons (or year in-universe time) so this doesn't appear to be a contradiction if viewed in the context of a policy change happening over a period of time, IMHO.
The Making of Star Trek describes on page 174:
"Junior officers are assigned similar accommodations, but usually are required to share them with one other fellow officer. The bedroom/living area therefore is correspondingly larger, while the outer work area is somewhat smaller."
So if a shared quarters is built it to match the description from TMOST it wouldn't be in the same proportions as the quarters that we have seen so far.
The Making of Star Trek describes on page 174:
"Junior officers are assigned similar accommodations, but usually are required to share them with one other fellow officer. The bedroom/living area therefore is correspondingly larger, while the outer work area is somewhat smaller."
So if a shared quarters is built it to match the description from TMOST it wouldn't be in the same proportions as the quarters that we have seen so far.
If one were to say things change between seasons of one series, one might also say things change to a much greater extent between entirely different series set in entirely different centuries.
Yeah, I seem to remember that in the early days of the TOS-R project they were bragging that the shots were the same even down to the star placement. Obviously, that went away as time went on. Eventually, it came down to "Oh, those poor dumb clods obviously didn't do this right on TOS. I'll fix it!"
Or else something changed in the time between "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "Day of the Dove."
The book also talked about cargo transporters and several other things there's no evidence for on TOS. I'd take it with a grain of salt, personally.
That hourglass gesture had been symbolic of "woman" for... well, lord knows how many decades at that point. It was perfectly clear to everyone at the time. It kinda boggles me that anyone wouldn't understand it today, or would try to rationalize a different meaning.
I did this up some years ago. This is the refit superimposed on the building I worked in. The building was almost a million square feet, single-level, with about 900 employees. Probably doesn't mean much if you didn't work there, but it gave me a good idea of the ship's size.
I did this up some years ago. This is the refit superimposed on the building I worked in. The building was almost a million square feet, single-level, with about 900 employees. Probably doesn't mean much if you didn't work there, but it gave me a good idea of the ship's size.
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