Discovery premise rumors

[TheUsualSuspect]

You guys have made me think a bit more about what was really just a quick comment in response to the OP about the premise rumors. I guess I was really thinking mostly about TOS and the first couple seasons of TNG (even though those are not my favorite seasons), but, as you've pointed out, there's plenty in there that isn't about exploration and new worlds.

I find I agree with Kor that the Star Trek that most appeals to me is the stories that touch on what it means to be human, although encountering the new and unknown is a good way to explore that theme. I'm still hoping for some good exploration and first contact stories in this new series, though.

I also really liked Jaime's perspective on DS9. Thought about that way, much of the series is about a first contact and the massive repercussions it has for the people of DS9, the Federation, and the rest of the Alpha Quadrant.

 

[Campe]

I don't believe Michael for a moment. He also claims to have info on the next movie and has offered up several fanwankeriffic plots for it including the Borg and resetting the Kelvin-verse to the Prime universe.

 

[dinzy]

https://moviepilot.com/p/star-trek-discovery-klingon-plot/4191632

This popped up in my google now app today. It's an interesting premise if true, but is just speculation based on available information.

As far as I am concerned none of the character reveals really tell us what the premise is other than it will not be a show where the crew (and Sarek) time travel far into the future and Sarek never returns. (or kills Sarek in any other way, unless they clone him by some means that leaves him with enough memories to play it off and resume Sareks life.)

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I don't believe Michael for a moment. He also claims to have info on the next movie and has offered up several fanwankeriffic plots for it including the Borg and resetting the Kelvin-verse to the Prime universe.

I totally agree. Anytime you hear "Section 31" and "secret Klingon-Fed alliance", it screams fan fiction.

 

[Sci-fi fan]

Much of TOS and TNG were not actually about exploring space, either. To me, the common thread of good Trek is that it explores the human condition, not necessarily always going out and literally exploring new places.

Kor

Yes, however, it's much more specific than that. The culmination of TNG but also the best moments of TOS and parts of all the rest serieses were not just the human condition, but the human condition of being a good person. The Roddenberry vision.

One of the worst things in sci-fi is when they go for extreme cynicism. Like that new series called The Expanse. Everyone is so mean and aggressive and ultimately boring. Why waste a gigantic budget to make a banal crime story?

I fear when I hear about Discovery's possible extreme cynicism in terms of ethics because there is a danger it could destroy it. At the very least when you go to Battlestar Galactica-esque cynicism you also add mysticism.

 

[trawler78]

One of the worst things in sci-fi is when they go for extreme cynicism. Like that new series called The Expanse. Everyone is so mean and aggressive and ultimately boring. Why waste a gigantic budget to make a banal crime story?.

Expanse's protagonist, Holden, is not mean or aggressive. Neither are his crew (bar Amos, aggression on tap).

Keep watching, the banal crime story is just the hook for the first season.

But point taken that Expanse has more in common with shows like Babylon 5 than Trek.

 

[The Wormhole]

I fear when I hear about Discovery's possible extreme cynicism in terms of ethics because there is a danger it could destroy it.

Relax, Discovery won't be a show promoting cynicism. At most, it just won't be the uber-utopia the 24th century was. Basically, it'll be true to the Trek spirit as depicted in TOS.

 

[LtChange]

I don't believe Michael for a moment. He also claims to have info on the next movie and has offered up several fanwankeriffic plots for it including the Borg and resetting the Kelvin-verse to the Prime universe.

I don't necessary believe him either. What I think he is doing is making an educated guess from the available information. Just think about it:
- Fuller said that the registry number not only shows when the action of the series is taking place but it also has a hidden meaning. The only logical conclusion to the hidden meaning comment could be the number 31, representing Section 31
- In the first teaser trailer, at the end we can hear a cloaking device sound. This could be also a hidden meaning that a cloaking device will have some sort of part of the story, maybe the Discovery is equipped with one, or maybe it was a reference to the klingons
- From the casting we know that klingons will be shown in the show.

Putting all this together one can invent a story like the story was put forward by Michael. So I really think he is just somebody trying to get some attention by telling he knows things although all that he has done is just do an educated guess from the facts we have.

 

[Mr Awe]

Hmmm... playing devils advocate, perhaps USS Discovery, as a name, refers to the tech being used in the starship as being advanced, despite also being stolen: it's an experimental 'discovery' of sorts (ie: untried tech, still being 'discovered' ) and far beyond what starfleet has available - therefore it's a Discovery...



Either that, or more simply the fact that the stolen tech is used, and the ship is utilised for explorer missions...

That's all I've got...

[gets coat]

I think this is supposed to mirror the Discoverer satellite program of the late 50s and later? The Discoverer satellite program was actually a cover story for the Corona spy satellite program. Corona was given the cover name Discoverer and described as a scientific research and technology development program. Discoverer was actually widely known by the public back then and covered in the media. But, the general public didn't realize that these were actually spy satellites.

And, given the potential description of this series, a spy ship for section 31, I wonder if the naming is intentional?

Mr Awe

 

[mike2363]

"Smoothing over diplomacy"...

What if the Discovery is an Intelligence gathering ship? The Lieutenant Commander being a spy/intelligence officer/section 31 agent, with the crew unaware of her true mission.

The name Discovery would have that double meaning then.

She may have been tasked with obtaining a cloaking device from the Klingons. And the rest of the crew are oblivious at first.

I think that would be an excellent idea. I think you've got a good guess there.

 

[GeekFilter]

There is a bit more said there:

Michael:


someone else:


Michael:




I really hope he is a troll and this isn't true, although it doesn't sound too farfetched. I absolutely HATE section 31. I don't want a Star Trek series based on conspiracy stuff. That whole premise just sounds horrible too me.

It's amazing how many people suddenly have "sources". When that rumor (some of it word for word) surfaced back in August of 2016 there was barely an outline of what was going forward, and since then with production shakeups and world events as they are and the creators who they are, the idea of Starfleet equipping a ship with a stolen cloaking device is even more absurd.

And the ship is NCC-1031 most likely because Halloween is Fuller's favorite holiday...wait "Halloween" was a John Carpenter horror movie where the killer wore a Captain Kirk mask...which means...nothing. :-)

 

[Dilandu]

Well, they snatched James Fraine for Sarek's role... and his shedule for filming is relatively tight, assuming that he already in "Gotham". Always problems with above-average actors - they are needed everywhere.

 

[Bob Karo]

I don't know if he'll be back on Gotham any time soon...

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

I don't know if he'll be back on Gotham any time soon...

Spoiler

Given that Azrael was hit point-blank with a rocket launcher I'll take that bet.

 

[Myko]

Cool spoiler bro.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Cool spoiler bro.

Ok, yeah, probably should have spoilered that.

However, in my defence, the episode did air back in May and I got the info off a YT video (gave up on the show after s1 personally).

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Cool spoiler bro.

Oops.

Changed that.

(In my defence, it's not like it's a particularly recent development. The episode screened May last year).

 

[Bob Karo]

I had given up on season one, but decided to give it another shot for season two. It may have warped my brain, but now I love it. I still think it's a bad show. It's just so awesomely insane and fun I can't help but love it.

 

[USS Triumphant]

And think about it: if this is true, we're talking Section 31 here. If this is a cutting edge tech ship, it's not so strange we never heard about it.

If Section 31 is involved and they got hold of the stuff that was in Crewman Daniels' quarters, then maybe the Discovery has a lot of advanced tech. Maybe the Klingon isn't pursuing them because they stole his cloak, maybe it's because his crew has been working out the kinks in a new cloak and then they somehow witnessed this petaQ ship with a much better one!

So they build a secret assassin ship and then call it Discovery?

Maybe Discovery isn't the real name of the ship. Maybe that's a cover ID they sometimes use, and the ship is really the Shenzhou.

Why would a super secret Section 31 ship be called Discovery? The last Section 31 ship we saw was called USS Vengeance...

Discovery is a legal term, as well, and their supervisor in Section 31 is a robot patterned on Donna from "Suits" - who ultimately actually answers to... Denny Crane.

 

[cultcross]

Almost 100% certain that Section 31 will have absolutely nothing to do with this show, especially as everything that's actually been said by the team making it is about Genes Vision(tm) and optimism for the future and so on and so forth. Doesn't really sit well with a dark show about spies staking cloaking devices.