Braga still "NOT SURE!"

[Mach5]

I will take full blame for that episode, for those that didn’t like it. In retrospect, it was a very cool idea, that in the end was a mistake. The concept was was to have Manny do a final two-part finale, but then have a final final episode send a valentine to all of Star Trek over the last eighteen years. We just thought it would be a cool concept to show the Next Generation’s crew looking back, though the holodeck, at Archer’s crew. It is a high concept, but I am not sure it came together.

Gotta love this guy!

BTW, did he say "a final finale?"

 

[Shazam!]

What? There's actually nothing really wrong with the episode per se. It's only in context that you start to realise how horrible it was.

 

[xortex]

I haven't seen it but time traveling in the holodeck sounds like a good story especially if Archer and crew become 'aware' of Riker and crew.

 

[kipron]

I thought TATV was a nice episode and a pretty good finale.

(But then I was never a big fan of the show, which could explain it.)

 

[Winterwind]

While the idea had some potential, it was indeed a horrible execution.

 

[xortex]

Braga was not a developer. He was an idea man. He could have used a few courses in philosophy.

 

[Mach5]

Braga was not a developer. He was an idea man. He could have used a few courses in philosophy.

Meh, look at George Lucas - well versed in both philosophy and mythology (Joseph Campbell called him the best student he ever had), yet he still managed to strip Star Wars of heart, soul and brains.

 

[Deckerd]

It was Lucas's creation in the first place. Like any god he could do what he pleased with it.

 

[timelord1010]

I just think Berman and Braga just stayed too long. They should have brought in new writers years ago instead of trying to control and do everything. As I said before, if they wanted to do "a valentine to the fans" it should have been seperate from Enterprise and should have been a Star Trek special and maybe had Q or Daniels bring different characters together for some emergency instead of the lame holodeck copout.

 

[xortex]

Berman kept Braga on a tight leash and rode him like a pony into the ground.

 

[commodore64]

It was Lucas's creation in the first place. Like any god he could do what he pleased with it.

Agreed.

I also got the concept and thought it wasn't that bad. If Manny put it together, I think we may've gotten schlock. Not sure which is worse.

 

[Mach5]

It was Lucas's creation in the first place. Like any god he could do what he pleased with it.

Sadly, true. That is also THE reason why prequels suck.

 

[gblews]

...that in the end was a mistake.

Finally. This is what we have been saying since the episode first aired. It has taken Bannon all these years to finally admit publicly that the episode was indeed a "mistake". I suspect he has known this for some time but needed some time to finally be able to admit it, especially in front of Trek fans. Pride can be a bitch.

What I would have liked to have seen him asked is, knowing what he does now about TaTV, if he get a re-do, would he allow Manny to finish out the only consistently good season of Ent.

Nice to see Brannon recognize something else many Ent fans feel; that season 4 was Ent's best (maybe, but my favorite is still season 3) and that the series should have begun the with Manny's vision of the show.

 

[Anwar]

I think they should've just waited a few years after VOY ended to do ENT. And used those intervening years to hire new writers while B&B took a more backseat role (without totally leaving) while plotting it out better. Good things come to those who wait a little and it's not like people were frothing at the mouth for more Trek at the time.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

I am kinda new here..Before I toss in my two cents, what do you kids think of Braga and Berman in general?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was Lucas's creation in the first place. Like any god he could do what he pleased with it.

And... Chronos?

 

[Mach5]

I am kinda new here..Before I toss in my two cents, what do you kids think of Braga and Berman in general?

You probably should have opened a new thread to ask this, but now that you've asked...

Braga - used to be one hell of a writer with great potential for huge things. Then came Voyager and his conflict with Ron Moore after which he started to write ridiculous crap. He had shown improvement in the 1st season of ENT, but soon got back to writing crap. All in all, seems like a decent dude.

Berman - Roddenberry's successor, not just as alpha and omega of Trek, but also as the main jerk on the lot. From what I read and heard in interviews, an arrogant bastard. If half the things Garret Wang said about him are true, he's a complete piece of sh#t (actually, the word Garret used was "idiot"). Unlike Braga, Berman to this day refuses to acknowledge TATV as failure.

I'd have no problem with Braga one day collaborating on some Star Trek project, but I don't want to see Berman anywhere near the franchise ever again. Are you reading this, JJ? Never again!

 

[Middleman]

I contend that the TMG Holodeck look back approach could have worked, if the rest of the story wasn't such a turd, including the two main FUBARs

 

[xortex]

I am kinda new here..Before I toss in my two cents, what do you kids think of Braga and Berman in general?

You probably should have opened a new thread to ask this, but now that you've asked...

Braga - used to be one hell of a writer with great potential for huge things. Then came Voyager and his conflict with Ron Moore after which he started to write ridiculous crap. He had shown improvement in the 1st season of ENT, but soon got back to writing crap. All in all, seems like a decent dude.

Berman - Roddenberry's successor, not just as alpha and omega of Trek, but also as the main jerk on the lot. From what I read and heard in interviews, an arrogant bastard. If half the things Garret Wang said about him are true, he's a complete piece of sh#t (actually, the word Garret used was "idiot"). Unlike Braga, Berman to this day refuses to acknowledge TATV as failure.

I'd have no problem with Braga one day collaborating on some Star Trek project, but I don't want to see Berman anywhere near the franchise ever again. Are you reading this, JJ? Never again!

That's it. The firing of Moore got braga scared to do anything risky.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

Just checking. I can't stand the B&B monobrain machine. They had no clue what the crap Trek was about. Braga cound't even remember what a tricorder did in an interview a year or so after ENT was over. He worked on Trek for what, 14 years. How do you not pick up that infomation by sheer osmosis? The fact that he has commented on anything Trek related without insulting the fanbase is a huge achievement for him.