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I'm not in favor of that level of 'HAHA YOU IDIOTS WORSHIP AN ALIEN YOU STOOPID' millitant athiesm on display since, to be perfectly blunt, that's Goddamned insulting especially when Trek's at its best when it isn't point laughing at [Group] so much as up and out.

THAT BEING SAID.

'God'/The One (one of the Q novbels delved into the Shakare entity) being the reason Q have a 'no screwing with free will' policy and having an in general hands off policy would have been neat as an explicite mention in the ep where Q got made human. 'I didn't do NEARLY as much as that pompous pile of nastiness and all HE got was put in time out at the center of the galaxy...'
Yeah that is a good point. I do like that Star Trek isn’t afraid to lean towards Atheism, but I do definitely like the idea of Mythological figures being seen as Aliens. It would be interesting if there was an episode in TNG where they encountered the Norse Gods on some distant planet somewhere. I think that would make a good TNG episode.

I would also have wanted to see a whole movie with the Enterprise Crew. Maybe adopt the Romulan War arc into a movie.
 
Yeah that is a good point. I do like that Star Trek isn’t afraid to lean towards Atheism, but I do definitely like the idea of Mythological figures being seen as Aliens.
'that's a good point, but I'm totally going to lean into the thing I'm making a point against.'

Again: You're basically advocating a show actively taking a shit on people's faith. The only people who would actively support what you're wanting, without a well considered script with a cast that could knock it out of the park (in my estimation a unicorn combination,) are the people who want a show jerking off at their smugness alienating the people you're essentially trying to reach.

(Note: I am christian, for the sake of transparency.)

ALL THAT BEING SAID.

Lets say your pitch got through and the Enterprise crew met Jesus. The psychokinetic being presenting as or otherwise.

A moment I, as a christian, would want dearly to see in such a script, is his utter horror at all the wars and genocides and atrocities committed in His name.

'I... wanted to Help... That's all I wanted to do. Show these people there were better ways of resisting power than to go for an armed revolt. ...I just wanted to help.'
 
'that's a good point, but I'm totally going to lean into the thing I'm making a point against.'

Again: You're basically advocating a show actively taking a shit on people's faith. The only people who would actively support what you're wanting, without a well considered script with a cast that could knock it out of the park (in my estimation a unicorn combination,) or it comes off as essentially jerking off at your own smugness alienating the people you're essentially trying to reach.

(Note: I am christian, for the sake of transparency.)

ALL THAT BEING SAID.

Lets say your pitch got through and the Enterprise crew met Jesus. The psychokinetic being presenting as or otherwise.

A moment I, as a christian, would want dearly to see in such a script, is his utter horror at all the wars and genocides and atrocities committed in His name.

'I... wanted to Help... That's all I wanted to do. Show these people there were better ways of resisting power than to go for an armed revolt. ...I just wanted to help.'
I'm not advocating anything to the extent you are saying here. I am simply saying that I like that Star Trek wasn't afraid to be Controversial with certain subjects, that doesn't mean I am "advocating a show taking a shit on people's faith".

However, it would be interesting if Jesus was in the Star Trek Universe - if he was a member of the Q or some other race who went against the others of his kind with the intention to help humanity, and possibly other species as a whole.
 
I'd go for a trilogy more than shove an entire war into a single movie. Think Peacekeeper Wars in terms of length.
Yeah, I think a trilogy for that would be rather interesting. A Dominion War movie would be interesting, in the sense of imagining it being based around a series of background characters resisting the Jem'Hadar.
 
it would be interesting if Jesus was in the Star Trek Universe - if he was a member of the Q or some other race who went against the others of his kind with the intention to help humanity, and possibly other species as a whole.
Honestly I'd prefer something less Q-ish and more... like Apollo. Someone who needed worship of some sort and could be beaten if it came down to it. yet still definitely fitting the 'could pull off miracles even by federation standards' trend.
 
Honestly I'd prefer something less Q-ish and more... like Apollo. Someone who needed worship of some sort and could be beaten if it came down to it. yet still definitely fitting the 'could pull off miracles even by federation standards' trend.
Perhaps something like that would work. Though knowing Jesus's personality and persona, I do not think he would "need Worship" in the sense that Apollo would. Apollo did it to be self serving. Jesus would be the opposite, so if he was a Star Trek character, perhaps rather than worship, there would be some sort of power he gains from spreading compassion/healing.
 
Insurrection is irredeemable. I keep nothing but the title.

The Enterprise is on a mission stop the Borg, on Picard’s initiative. Like Guinan in Yesterday’s Enterprise, he can’t explain how he knows what he knows, he just knows, and he needs the faith and support of his friends to do it.

Data, operating without his emotion chip, is the first to figure out that Picard is under Borg influence and leading the Enterprise into a trap. When he expresses his concerns to Picard, Picard assures him that he is still Picard and not a Borg agent.

Having failed to convince Picard, he approaches the rest of the senior staff with the proof. It leads to an Allegiance-like situation but it divides the crew. Riker and Data are convinced that the Borg win if Picard is not removed from command, Picard is equally certain the the Borg win if he is removed from command, they can’t find a way to bridge the divide, and the titular insurrection is a mutiny on the Enterprise.

Ultimately it turns out the mutineers were right and Picard was wrong. He is left shaken that he could have been so absolutely certain and yet so wrong.



In the next film, Shinzon was intended to replace Picard. With all due respect to Tom Hardy (which is a lot), I leave him out of the film and cast Stewart in a dual role.

The conflict with Shinzon is resolved in the Trekky way. Picard gets through to him and convinces him that destroying Earth isn’t the best way to pursue his goals. They make peace and accept each other as brothers. This leads to another mutiny, as most of Shinzon’s crew still wants to destroy Earth.

The mutineers are thwarted and Earth is saved, but Shinzon is killed and his government collapses. His half-human son is not welcome in the Romulan Empire, so Picard takes him in as his nephew.



Also I use a different name for the tenth film, because Nemesis is my eleventh film.

The Enterprise is given a crucial mission to retrieve a McGuffin before the Borg find it and acquire it for themselves, which would mean pretty much the end of everything.

After the events of Insurrection, there are questions about Picard’s judgement where the Borg are involved. As a result, Janeway takes command and Picard is temporarily demoted to first officer. (Riker and Troi are serving on the Titan by this time, but we’ll find something for them to do.)

On the mission an encounter with the Borg goes horribly wrong. Picard is captured and becomes Locutus again, the Borg know everything they know, they race off to get the McGuffin and the Federation is doomed.

Janeway reveals that Picard (and to keep up the illusion, everybody except herself and Seven) had been given disinformation. Disinformation that the Borg now have and believe. It’s the Borg’s Insurrection ploy in reverse, and if they act fast they can end the Borg threat once and for all.

It works, and Janeway makes no apologies. She did what she had to do to save the Federation, and besides, Picard survived. Picard, who has been retraumatized and suffered more than anyone, understands. His friends, not so much.
 
Insurrection is irredeemable. I keep nothing but the title.
Not a wrong assessment. Me and my dad had the same reaction. 'This feels like a two part TNG episode, and not a good one either.'

My only complaint is it rehashes ground that first contact had in Picard's Borg PTSD. The problem is how else are you going to have the crew picking sides on who to trust? The only opponent that can rattle Picard enough would be the Borg. otherwise he would take Data's case to heart and at the very lest tell the crew to step in if it ends up becoming nessicary.

The Borg are the only opponent that's able to get Picard to knuckle down and entrench himself even from his senior staff.
 
The problem is how else are you going to have the crew picking sides on who to trust?
I’m not sure. I was thinking Riker and Troi would join Data, Worf and Crusher would stand by Picard, and Geordi and Guinan would figure out how to defuse the Borg trap without picking sides.

The other reason to make the Borg the enemy is that it sets up my eleventh film. Picard’s conduct in this film is why Janeway has to take command in that film.
 
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I love this idea. I was intently reading it and then it just came to a halt lol. I'm not sure I'd go with the search for Kirk for a TNG film, though. I just think the TNG crew should be the main focus of their first film.
Well, it wasn't technically a TNG film, it was a crossover film. The focus would be on the two crews working together and interacting to rescue Kirk, a mission that would also highlight the loyalty that Picard and his crew share.
 
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