It was stated in TATV that the ship was being put into mothballs.
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It was stated in TATV that the ship was being put into mothballs.
We know what happened to the NX-01, but that doesn't mean a famous ship can't be unceremoniously disposed of. Look what happened to the U.S.S. Enterprise CV-6. She was the highest decorated U.S. Ship in WWII, but that still didn't save her from being chopped up for scrap.
A similarly famous ship by the 23rd century. Wouldn't we have learned something, or would such things become more disposable, not less, when everything can be replicated down to the micron. Some enterprising Ferengi could sell life-sized modular Enterprises.
Or take the SS United States, the fastest, safest, and most advanced ocean liner ever built. She wound up rusting away for 30 years at a pier in Philadelphia, and now is set to be taken out and unceremoniously sunk.
Better than turning her into razorblades and tin cans, but... she deserved better.
I imagine the decomissioning of the NX-01 was also celebratory. The hero of the Romulan War, the ship essentially responsible for the founding of the Federation. It wasn't being mothballed to sit in a scrap yard somewhere but to be preserved.
These Are the Voyages has so many holes in it at this point, it's less of a headache to just assume it was entirely fictional. I think In a Mirror Darkly's biography revealed he was an Admiral by 2161, the NX-01 got a secondary hull refit and Travis was no longer serving on the ship since he was referred to as first pilot of the NX-01.
While retroactively ships and planets named Archer were named for Jonny, the one redeeming virtue of These Are the Voyages is showing different era characters acknowledging the show. Prequel syndrome unfortunately. Now of course Discovery and Lower Decks also discuss it so we've repaired that mostly.
These Are the Voyages has so many holes in it at this point, it's less of a headache to just assume it was entirely fictional. I think In a Mirror Darkly's biography revealed he was an Admiral by 2161, the NX-01 got a secondary hull refit and Travis was no longer serving on the ship since he was referred to as first pilot of the NX-01.
While retroactively ships and planets named Archer were named for Jonny, the one redeeming virtue of These Are the Voyages is showing different era characters acknowledging the show. Prequel syndrome unfortunately. Now of course Discovery and Lower Decks also discuss it so we've repaired that mostly.
I still say that can be disputed. We never saw the refit NX Class at the museum close enough to confirm it was the NX-01. We know from SNW that they had more than one NX Class "in mothballs."
In storage yes but I would assume the museum is reserved for illustrious ships. Not to say of course that there wasnt plenty of opportunities for other NX class ships to do great deeds during and after the Romulan War but the Enterprise is the big headliner ship that would be the one you'd put in your big fleet museum for posterity.
I don't care for it as the NX-01, it feels a little too much like a Constitution. I do like it as the successor to the NX refit. Taking everything they learned from the NX Class and making a streamlined version of it. It would work wonderfully as a "Warp Seven Beauty."
It also works perfectly as a middle step between the NX-01 and the Strange New Worlds version of the Enterprise.
Oh, the NX-01 should definitely be at the museum, I just think they'd keep it safe and sound inside the station.
I don't care for it as the NX-01, it feels a little too much like a Constitution. I do like it as the successor to the NX refit. Taking everything they learned from the NX Class and making a streamlined version of it. It would work wonderfully as a "Warp Seven Beauty."
It also works perfectly as a middle step between the NX-01 and the Strange New Worlds version of the Enterprise.
Oh, the NX-01 should definitely be at the museum, I just think they'd keep it safe and sound inside the station.
Eh, I could see it as a 24th or 25th century homage to the Constitution Class (and a far better one than the Titanic) but it's too advanced for earlier centuries.
24th or 25th century? Ain't seeing it. It very much looks like something that could follow the NX Class. The fact it's a John Eaves design also helps it tie in nicely with SNW.
I've never liked that concept for the NX-01 as I don't think pre-Federation vessels should have the saucer/secondary hull/nacelles look of a TOS-era ship from 100 years later when our knowledge of space travel is far more advanced. Let the other Federation worlds bring something to the mix!
But this is the first time I've seen it in 3D and honestly it looks okay from the top and back. If it showed up in Strange New Worlds as an older ship, I wouldn't even question it.
But this is the first time I've seen it in 3D and honestly it looks okay from the top and back. If it showed up in Strange New Worlds as an older ship, I wouldn't even question it.
Well, that's what happens when you start with the Akira class as a base and then work backwards from that.
I think it worked out well enough in the end. The NX-01 looks unique enough when compared to other hero ships of the franchise.
And per “E2”, Enterprise, and by extension the NX class, was also built to last. Right into the 2270s.
A few NX class ships should still be flying around in the SNW/TOS/TMP era.
The same TATV where Riker calls it the NX-01 and not Enterprise by name. And Troi calls it the first Enterprise, despite the XCV-330 Enterprise existing first, and Sisko in Trials and Tribble-ations” making a distinction that Kirk’s Enterprise was the first Enterprise. And then Troi admits later she gets all those museum ships mixed up.
And the VOY crew never plainly said, “there was an NX-01, it was never called the Dauntless.” So, it's open to interpretation.
Franky, that is a lot of conjecture at this point. A lot of the holes can be explained away. Maybe they were a really youthful crew, and not being on the run while Earth and other human colonies were destroyed like in the "Twilight" timeline made life a lot less stressful. Maybe a bunch of them were being promoted, hence the other assignments. They just don’t explicitly say they are getting promoted with the new assignments in TATV because the writers thought it was more important to drop a reference to Barclay and go over the backstory of the loss of the Pegasus again instead.
Meaning, it might be on Mayweather that he’s an ensign for ten years straight if he’s still trying to stick by Archer’s side out of loyalty, instead of accepting Captain Stillwell’s offer to join his crew. In fact, it might be a hint Gannet and he broke up by this point, since he's more concerned about sticking by Archer's side instead of Gannet's. When he told her that the next challenge was staying in one place for a while. Making it clear he was ready to settle down.
Same thing with Reed for being a lieutenant for ten years, though in his case, he had to re-earn Archer's trust after his association with Section 31 was revealed and his loyalties were split. And Reed himself was an ensign for 8 years straight prior to Enterprise. So staying at the same rank for several years is nothing new to him.
We know Hoshi gets promoted after TATV and had no new assignments after Enterprise. She left active service and retired from Starfleet with the rank of lieutenant commander, and never officially returned to service or even got involved with Federation politics like Archer did. She likley settles down, we just aren't told when she met her husband. Maybe that's why she retired - to focus on her personal life, which appeared static in TATV.
Erm, no. Archer's bio never mentioned any refit, since it's about Archer and not the history of Enterprise. And it never mentioned that Travis was no longer serving on the ship, or was remembered as the first pilot of the NX-01. Or any other member of his crew. It doesn't even mention T'Pol by name; only refers to her as a Vulcan science officer that he learned to cope with. Just that he was made an honorary member of the Andorian Imperial Guard by Shran in 2164, when Shran was promoted to General by that point.
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The bio mentioning admiral archer is one point.
NX refit separate point as we've seen.
Ortegas refers to Travis as the first pilot.
Built to last? Sure. She was a tough ship, clearly. But during an age of rapid technological advancement, she would have been quickly rendered obsolete, and there comes a point when it's easier and cheaper to build something new, rather than upgrade something old.
For one thing, there probably weren't very many built, making them a rare commodity even when they were top of the line Starships. Why would an exceedingly rare ship that was woefully outdated, still be in active use over 100 years later? At least with ships like the Miranda and the Excelsiors, it can be argued that they built a ton of them and they were likely easy to upgrade. Strange New Worlds also explicitly mentioned that the NX Class ships are "in mothballs."
So what? So do a lot of people.
For all we know, the XCV-330 was a one off prototype that never amounted to much of anything. The NX-01 was the first Starship Enterprise that did anything significant.
You kind of have to take into account the fact that Enterprise didn't exist yet. It's just a reality of production. Regardless, you can simply interpret Sisko as saying the first Federation Starship Enterprise.
Same as above. Just a good old-fashioned retcon. Though, I suppose if you need some kinda head canon explanation, you could simply say that the first Federation Starship was the USS DAUNTLESS NCC-01, and that the Voyager crew assumed the ship was named after that historic vessel.
Even so, he was the most competent person on that crew. Even if promotions were fewer because there was no LTJG or LCDR ranks, he still rated some sort of acknowledgement.
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