Braga still "NOT SURE!"
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Enterprise was Braga's creation, more or less.
Braga's usually been pretty honest when he screws up (look up his comments on Threshold). I still think TATV was a decent idea with terrible execution. I think part of the execution problems were trying to do too much in 45 minutes. If they kept the TNG scenes the same length, but added another hour, the Enterprise plot might not have been the watered down crap it ended up being.
Sure, there would still be other complaints about the episode (the idea of using TNG as a framing story, the need to kill Trip off at all, etc), but I think they would have been mitigated (giving Riker a smaller role and killing Trip off in a less contrived way would have been improvements).
Neither are remotely true. Braga and Moore became writers on two different shows. Because of the turnover at the top of the Voyager writer's department (and quite possibly because the DS9 writing staff was more talented) Braga rose to the top, while Moore only rose near the top. When Moore tried to write for the Voyager staff, he found out he didn't like working with Braga when he wasn't the one in charge of the team (quite possibly for creative reasons, not personal, Braga worked best when someone could independently tell him what worked and what didn't).
Whose toes would this require stepping on other Brannon's own?
Brannon Braga @ VegasCon09 said:
Gotta love this guy!
BTW, did he say "a final finale?"
It's four years after the fact. Who cares about the post mortem at this point?
Apparently, a lot of people do. We're still talking about - and it still comes up over at the Triaxian Silk board.
I was at a Stargate con yesterday in Chicago and someone asked Connor Trinneer about it. People were booing at the mention of the episode. AND THESE WERE STARGATE FANS!!!!
Not even remotely? Because RDM said (I quote):
I have very hurt feelings about Brannon. What happened between he and I is just between he and I. It was a breakdown of trust. I would have quit any show where I was not allowed to participate in the process like that. I wasn’t allowed to participate in the process, and I wasn’t part of the show. I felt like I was freelancing my own show. ... I was very disappointed that my long-time friend and writing partner acted in that manner, that crossed lines to the point where I felt like I had to walk away from STAR TREK, which was something that meant a lot to me for a very long time, from my childhood right through my entire professional career.So according to Moore, Braga was doing something that made him leave Star Trek, something in fact hurtful.
That RDM quote was a while ago, and he was effectively a disgruntled ex-employee at the time. He and Braga made up.
Plus, Moore was more PO'ed over the UPN restraints than anything else. Network interference is the same reason he didn't do the WB Dragonriders of Pern series.
Plus, Moore was more PO'ed over the UPN restraints than anything else. Network interference is the same reason he didn't do the WB Dragonriders of Pern series.
He didn't push Moore out to write his own stuff. He was writing his own stuff, Moore came onto the Voyager staff and didn't like the changed writing relationship (from that quote, it looks like a good part of that was Braga was an ass) and then Moore left. The way your phrased it made it sound like some power move where Braga had to push Moore out to rise above him and write on his own.
If you had quoted the rest of my post, you would have seen that I was taking into account what Moore had said. When Moore was a subordinate, not a superior, he didn't like the collaborative process since Braga apparently wasn't willing to treat his ideas with respect and it seems basically delegated to him (of course, Braga was the show runner at this point, so that basically would have been his job).
If you had quoted the rest of my post, you would have seen that I was taking into account what Moore had said. When Moore was a subordinate, not a superior, he didn't like the collaborative process since Braga apparently wasn't willing to treat his ideas with respect and it seems basically delegated to him (of course, Braga was the show runner at this point, so that basically would have been his job).
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Sounds to me like the problem was that writers on VOY were just writers, where they didn't get any creative input at all, and were basically just told to write whatever the producers handed them. Which explains a lot, actually.
I noticed the same in quite a few first season episodes of Enterprise when I re-watched it recently. Story by B&B. Teleplay by *Insert Name Here*
Surprisingly, I don't mind Braga (or Berman, for that matter). After all, they created ENT, so without them we wouldn't have gotten that show most of us here like.
As for TATV, well, even after all these years I could go off on a lengthy rant about what's wrong with the episode. I don't understand how experienced writers like Braga and Berman couldn't see how this episode wouldn't work at all. Mainly because those holodeck characters aren't the real ENT characters. There's no way we would know so precisely what they said and did in private during that mission as the episode would like us to believe. And that's the main point, I think. It's not really an ENT episode and it's a pretty bad TNG episode.
The idea of linking ENT with the rest of the Trekverse is interesting but would probably require more than one episode.
As for TATV, well, even after all these years I could go off on a lengthy rant about what's wrong with the episode. I don't understand how experienced writers like Braga and Berman couldn't see how this episode wouldn't work at all. Mainly because those holodeck characters aren't the real ENT characters. There's no way we would know so precisely what they said and did in private during that mission as the episode would like us to believe. And that's the main point, I think. It's not really an ENT episode and it's a pretty bad TNG episode.
The idea of linking ENT with the rest of the Trekverse is interesting but would probably require more than one episode.
Beavis and Butthead. That's all I have to say on it.
Truthfully, I'd say Michael Piller 'saved' TNG; but after that Rick Berman kept it going, and kept the suits and TNG fans generally happy; and ratings for TNG were good. That said, I think it's also safe to say both he and Barnnon Braga stayed too long (and it's evidenced by the fact that ENT (imo) improved greatly once Manny Coto was promoted to 'showrunner'). YMMV.
I was very disappointed with TATV, and felt quite shortchanged by it; although I liked the holodeck framing idea, the story it frames was, in American parlance, so lame.
Why was Shran so two-dimensional in it? Here we have a brave, seasoned, respected warrior faking his own death to escape his 'business partners'. After getting Archer to help him with his big comedy jewel, the NX-01 gets attacked by the black-hat heavies, ultimately causing Trip's death. Was it the episode written on the back of a cocktail napkin in the shadow of Don Draper at The Roosevelt? Here was eighteen years of TV history coming to an end, a virtual odyssey that has entertained an entire planet for nearly a generation, and how does it end? Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Was it too much to ask for heroic? The end of the Romulan War, perhaps?
Shortchanged, absolutely.
Why was Shran so two-dimensional in it? Here we have a brave, seasoned, respected warrior faking his own death to escape his 'business partners'. After getting Archer to help him with his big comedy jewel, the NX-01 gets attacked by the black-hat heavies, ultimately causing Trip's death. Was it the episode written on the back of a cocktail napkin in the shadow of Don Draper at The Roosevelt? Here was eighteen years of TV history coming to an end, a virtual odyssey that has entertained an entire planet for nearly a generation, and how does it end? Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Was it too much to ask for heroic? The end of the Romulan War, perhaps?
Shortchanged, absolutely.
That, Mirren, was the best summary/critique I have ever read about "the_abomination!!!!!!!"
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If everyone was "over it"-- regarding Enterprise, or any of the other shows, or the movies-- then this board would be a ghost town.
I admire your courage. Takes guts to say that in this board.
If everyone was "over it," then Braga wouldn't have to answer the same frakking questions at every frakking convention or in every frakking interview he does.
Now, if I did a Q&A with Brannon, I'd just ask him if all these TATV questions he's been getting for the past four years have started to make him sick already.
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