It's was absolutely stupid that no one on the NX-01 crew was promoted by 2161. Especially considering that a war had just taken place. One of the more stupid parts of TATV.
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And no one looked different. No uniform changes, no aging, no hairstyle changes, no facial hair... it was appalling laziness on their part.
Well, the uniforms changed a little. Plus, I think Hoshi changed her hair a bit. But yeah, it was pretty lazy.
As I mentioned before, there's no correlation between the fake Dauntless NX-01-A from VOY, and the NX-01 Enterprise. Here's why:
1. Just because the fake Dauntless had a registry of NX-01-A does not mean that there was once a Dauntless with the registry NX-01. We have no idea about Arturis's logic with coming up with that registry, as he had no knowledge about Starfleet and their registry schemes.
2. But let's play devil's advocate anyway, and assume that somehow Arturis was aware of that. Just because none of the Voyager crew question the Dauntless's registry still doesn't mean that it correlates to a past ship named Dauntless with a registry of NX-01. For all they knew, while they were gone Starfleet reset the registry scheme, and the Dauntless was the first ship with this new registry.
3. But most of all...the Earth ship Enterprise's registry isn't the same as Starfleet's registry scheme. Because the "NX" in NX-01 is the ship's class, while "NX" in a Starfleet registry scheme denotes an experimental prototype. Yes, the Enterprise was a prototype as well, but the next ship in the class wasn't 'NCC-02,' it was NX-02. So there's no reason to assume that the Federation Starfleet's first ship was the Dauntless NX-01, or even if it was, there's no reason to assume that the Enterprise NX-01 was renamed the Dauntless and recommissioned. And if Dave Blass is to be believed, then the Enterprise NX-01 still had its name unchanged by the 25th century.
1. Just because the fake Dauntless had a registry of NX-01-A does not mean that there was once a Dauntless with the registry NX-01. We have no idea about Arturis's logic with coming up with that registry, as he had no knowledge about Starfleet and their registry schemes.
2. But let's play devil's advocate anyway, and assume that somehow Arturis was aware of that. Just because none of the Voyager crew question the Dauntless's registry still doesn't mean that it correlates to a past ship named Dauntless with a registry of NX-01. For all they knew, while they were gone Starfleet reset the registry scheme, and the Dauntless was the first ship with this new registry.
3. But most of all...the Earth ship Enterprise's registry isn't the same as Starfleet's registry scheme. Because the "NX" in NX-01 is the ship's class, while "NX" in a Starfleet registry scheme denotes an experimental prototype. Yes, the Enterprise was a prototype as well, but the next ship in the class wasn't 'NCC-02,' it was NX-02. So there's no reason to assume that the Federation Starfleet's first ship was the Dauntless NX-01, or even if it was, there's no reason to assume that the Enterprise NX-01 was renamed the Dauntless and recommissioned. And if Dave Blass is to be believed, then the Enterprise NX-01 still had its name unchanged by the 25th century.
One of my problems is the saucer-secondary hull being so prominent in pre-Federation stuff, I can see it being part of a standardized design of the Federation that all species came up with at some point, but Earth vessels really should have had a different feel than Federation ones.
Mayweather’s the first in the context of "Broken Bow"; it does not imply that he left the ship at all in all of those 10 years. Even when he was on Enterprise, he was not the only pilot on board. But he is the most recognizable pilot of the NX-01 though, considering he was a member of the senior staff.
The only thing that might suggest Mayweather briefly left Enterprise was his line to Hoshi referring to her 10 years on the ship. But it's nothing concrete, since he's also referring to Hoshi getting use to living back on Earth on a regular basis, compared to Mayweather being someone used to living in space his whole life as a space boomer.
It’s conjecture that there weren’t many built. We don’t know that for sure. We don’t even know the state of the fleet in the aftermath of the Romulan war, and if ships have to be brought out of mothball to supplement whatever of the fleet is left.
Also, NX class ships used the same S/COMS main computer system as ships In the SNW era did. It would not be that out of date. LCARS isn’t a thing in Starfleet until TFF.
Also, in SNW, the NX class ships are in mothballs until they need a story based around an NX class ship.
If the NX-01 was simply remembered as Archer's Enterprise, Riker would have said so.
It must have amounted to something. Since paintings of it were all over the place. It's an admired and revered ship.
And you also have to take into account that it’s all the same continuity. And that even if Sisko makes the distinction of the first Federation Starship Enteprise, it's not the first Enterprise. The XCV-330 is, and has been established since TMP. Which predates both DS9 and ENT.
I like my headcanon as it is. They rechristened the NX-01 as the Dauntless, and it continued to see service under a different captain.
He got a middle school gym in Colombia named after him. It’s not a whole school like Archer or Cochrane got, but it’s something.
It is shocking that they never simply took the Intrepid, Columbia and NX Project uniforms, switch the patches to the other arm and add epaulets like they did with the Enterprise uniform. Just shocking that it never crossed their minds to do so. But what’s done is done. Until someone can be bothered to make a sequel to TATV.
1. The crew could have still checked their own databases and verified. Would have taken all of 10 seconds.
2. Maybe. But if anyone in Starfleet should question what's in front of them, it's a science ship like Voyager.
3. It means whatever the writers want it to mean.
For example, the registry NC can refer to a shuttlepod, like in “Home”, or a Class J civilian transport like in “The Way to Eden”
If the writers wanted NX to have a double meaning as both a ship class and for experimental ships, that’s their right.
And here is the crux of the argument. So far there is no canon evidence that the Enterprise NX-01 was renamed the Dauntless and relaunched. Because no writer has mentioned that. Ergo, until a writer does mention it, there's no evidence it happened, and the evidence that does exist shows that it's unlikely that happened, since the NX-01 is currently sitting in the Starfleet Museum with its original name, and there's a yearly celebration of the ship's launch. So there would have been no reason to rename it. But you are welcome to acknowledge it as headcanon.
And, honestly, why would Starfleet have renamed the ship anyway? It's not like they time-traveled to the future and saw that the dedication plaques on future Enterprises gave a count of how many there were. If they wanted to recommission the ship, then there would be no reason to change its name.
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Absolutely.
Nope, we don't. But we do know they take a long time to build. There's over 3 and a half years between the launch the Enterprise and Columbia.
You're right, we don't know. But we do know that Enterprise was being put in mothballs in 2161.
And? Microsoft Windows has been around for 40 years, but you can bet your ass that Windows 1.0 is a hell of a lot less advanced than Windows 11.
Funny you should mention that. That's exactly how Captain Pike described the NX-01..... "Archer's Enterprise."
Is it? Or was the art department just having fun. Can't have been too important, Archer didn't have it on the wall of his Ready Room.
Except it wasn't. There's the Shuttle, the Carriers, and probably a dozen old sailing ships.
Facts seem to say otherwise.
He did mention that it was just his headcanon, so facts don't necessarily have to come into the equation.
Fair point. Though I think headcanon should at least have a basis in "reality."
Enterprise is a revered name, but Starfleet also don’t want to take the chance of getting it sullied with disastrous away missions or first contacts.
It also PR to deal with any species that had a negative experience with the NX-01 under Archer’s command i.e. the Klingons. Put some distance between Archer's Starfleet and early Federation Starfleet.
They also only had two drydocks for NX class ships, one for Columbia and another for Enterprise. Pre-Romulan war, United Earth likely did not have a large number of shipyards.
No. We know that it was recorded that the crew was told the ship would be put into mothballs in 2161. What happened after is open to interpretation.
But despite the generational differences, it’s a system they are familiar with. Compared to switching over to a system that’s the equivalent of macOS or Linux.
And Riker described Pike’s Enterprise as “Kirk’s ship.” As Kirk is the most famous name associated with the Connie-era Enterprise. It did not mean that there were no other captains of that ship.
Just because Archer was not sentimental about that ship did not mean no one else wasn’t. A painting of the XCV-330 was in Admiral Forrest’s office, after all.
All of which existed before ENT. And does not addresses Troi's statement.
I guess I'm just confused as to why Starfleet would feel the need to rename a ship just because they were worried about getting it sullied with disastrous away missions or first contacts, or worrying about past species that had a negative experience with it under its captain's command. It's not as if things like that wouldn't have happened on a regular basis with pretty much any Starfleet vessel. Would they be constantly renaming all those ships as well just so some alien who didn't like its captain didn't throw a hissy fit?
I have always felt the same way! Before ENT, I always imagined that the UFP founders worked together at some point to design a starship that incorporated elements from each species' experience. This is where the classic saucer/secondary hull/nacelles combination comes from. I like to think that was the case until Picard and his crew messed things up in FC and altered the timeline.
Perhaps it unintentionally did, through "parallel development" - that is, that all those species coincidentally had similar basic shape aesthetics in their designs.
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