Anybody Ever Notice...?

[rick]

from your behavior, i dont think you have left your parents basement in over a week. i think you need to chell out! get it? 'chell'

 

[Peach Wookiee]

rick... enough. Seriously. Enough.

 

[rick]

rick... enough. Seriously. Enough.

you got it. all i ask for is mutual respect, and fair moderating...but wasnt the chell thing punny?

 

[cardinal biggles]

Maybe you're forgetting the "mutual" part of "mutual respect"...

 

[rick]

ive given you as much as youve given me. what did sisko say? "you run clean games, and you wont have a problem with me"? moderate fairly and i will stop severly bruising your ego.

btw if you havent noticed im trying to bring levity to this ridiculous situation by quoting trek.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Yeah, but you're forgetting, in this situation, I'm Sisko and you're Quark. So rich, if you run clean games, you won't have a problem with me.

And if you think you've so much as scratched my ego, you're severely overestimating your abilities. But that's okay... thanks for playing, and better luck next time.

 

[rick]

Yeah, but you're forgetting, in this situation, I'm Sisko and you're Quark. So rich, if you run clean games, you won't have a problem with me.

And if you think you've so much as scratched my ego, you're severely overestimating your abilities. But that's okay... thanks for playing, and better luck next time.

yeah, its rick. thats fine sweetie, you can be sisko, the second class citizen.

and the ego thing was from something garak said on ds9 after he got his ass jumped by klingons.

 

[QuasarVM]

This is all very amusing.

Who knew this topic would take such a turn?

However, Biggles/Wookiee...I am compelled to concur...once again.

 

[Joker]

I'm tempted to earn a warning for flaming.

So tempted.

 

[RAMA]

Funny thing is, TFF has got a really good sound fx mix, especially the organic breathing stuff, very expressive. I remembered a muffled sound for the torp launch, but didn't realize how off it was till reading this. Maybe the local 'weather' at the center of the galaxy drowned out the usual noise fx.

If you look past the much-maligned (and deservedly so) visual effects, TFF actually has excellent production values. Perhaps the best of any of the TOS films.

The cinematography by Andrew Laszlo is excellent and one of the few Trek entries that's shot like a film instead of a TV show. The production design by Herman Zimmerman, particularly the bridge and the observation deck, is beautiful. The sound mix is quite good and adds a depth many of the Trek films lack. And the music by Jerry Goldsmith is, of course, masterful.

Methinks that perhaps the overall production value of TFF gets unfairly judged solely on the basis of its inept visual effects when, in fact, everything else production-wise is quite good.

No it really does look like it was shot like a TV show. The production design was the worst of the series. Everything from the TOS era town, to the paper mache' rocks at the God sequence at the end were awful. Even engineering looked like a slightly more sophisticated multi-colored plumbing nightmare designed in 1970.

RAMA

 

[QuasarVM]

Funny thing is, TFF has got a really good sound fx mix, especially the organic breathing stuff, very expressive. I remembered a muffled sound for the torp launch, but didn't realize how off it was till reading this. Maybe the local 'weather' at the center of the galaxy drowned out the usual noise fx.

If you look past the much-maligned (and deservedly so) visual effects, TFF actually has excellent production values. Perhaps the best of any of the TOS films.

The cinematography by Andrew Laszlo is excellent and one of the few Trek entries that's shot like a film instead of a TV show. The production design by Herman Zimmerman, particularly the bridge and the observation deck, is beautiful. The sound mix is quite good and adds a depth many of the Trek films lack. And the music by Jerry Goldsmith is, of course, masterful.

Methinks that perhaps the overall production value of TFF gets unfairly judged solely on the basis of its inept visual effects when, in fact, everything else production-wise is quite good.

No it really does look like it was shot like a TV show. The production design was the worst of the series. Everything from the TOS era town, to the paper mache' rocks at the God sequence at the end were awful. Even engineering looked like a slightly more sophisticated multi-colored plumbing nightmare designed in 1970.

RAMA

I don't care who ya are...that there is funny stuff!

What engineering? We didn't see much of it in Star Trek V -- it almost could have been any set. Didn't they just throw some twinkling Christmas tree lights into the remains of intermix chamber from TMP and just shoot Scotty close up with that atrocity behind him? I seem to remember something cheesy like that. I think they had torn down the Engineering set used in Star Trek II a long time ago and turned it into the Engineering room for TNG.

In fact, that's what they used for Engineering in TUC.

I don't agree with anyone who thinks TFF had great production design. Aside from the bridge (and I EXCLUDE that Godawful viewing screen from this), the production design was passable at best.

 

[Kryton]

The turboshaft alone was....

Oh wait...never mind.

 

[trevanian]

We didn't see much of it in Star Trek V -- it almost could have been any set. Didn't they just throw some twinkling Christmas tree lights into the remains of intermix chamber from TMP and just shoot Scotty close up with that atrocity behind him? I seem to remember something cheesy like that.

You're confusing things a bit there. in SFS they have something that looks like the vertical intermix behind Scott for a shot (it is actually that ladder section Spock and co go down in TWOK) that looks hokey beyond belief, but TFF just has some TNG passages (JEFFRIES TUBES From THE HUNTED) tarted up with pipes.

 

[QuasarVM]

We didn't see much of it in Star Trek V -- it almost could have been any set. Didn't they just throw some twinkling Christmas tree lights into the remains of intermix chamber from TMP and just shoot Scotty close up with that attrocity behind him? I seem to remember something cheesy like that.

You're confusing things a bit there. in SFS they have something that looks like the vertical intermix behind Scott for a shot (it is actually that ladder section Spock and co go down in TWOK) that looks hokey beyond belief, but TFF just has some TNG passages (JEFFRIES TUBES From THE HUNTED) tarted up with pipes.

Yep! That's right!

I guess you can tell how much I watch either of those flicks...

But yeah, both films had a poor representation of Engineering...but, since they didn't have the TMP Engineering set...I guess they were trying to keep costs down and Scotty only had small bits of dialog in both those scenes.

 

[QuasarVM]

The turboshaft alone was....

Oh wait...never mind.

Gotta love that umpteen jillion level turboshaft set -- with the shaking flimsy plastic walls that shake when KSM zoom up on Spock's gravity boots.

"Gravity boots"...what cheese...

 

[trevanian]

But yeah, both films had a poor representation of Engineering...but, since they didn't have the TMP Engineering set...I guess they were trying to keep costs down and Scotty only had small bits of dialog in both those scenes.

I really didn't like them using TNG-looking stuff in sickbay and elsewhere, but I'm also thinking the real reason they showed Scotty down there when he has that intercom dialog with Kirk on bridge is that you risk a huge laugh if you just hear Scotty grumbling (as in, it sounds like Ackroyd on SNL, which is what happens in TMP, when you hear Scotty bitch at Kirk when the latter requests warp speed.)

 

[QuasarVM]

But yeah, both films had a poor representation of Engineering...but, since they didn't have the TMP Engineering set...I guess they were trying to keep costs down and Scotty only had small bits of dialog in both those scenes.

I really didn't like them using TNG-looking stuff in sickbay and elsewhere, but I'm also thinking the real reason they showed Scotty down there when he has that intercom dialog with Kirk on bridge is that you risk a huge laugh if you just hear Scotty grumbling (as in, it sounds like Ackroyd on SNL, which is what happens in TMP, when you hear Scotty bitch at Kirk when the latter requests warp speed.)

Yeah, that's true!

I was also not a fan of using TNG sets in the original crew films.

I understand why they did it, but it reeked of cheapness.

 

[cooleddie74]

In Star Trek V when the Enterprise fires a photon torpedo at the "God thing" it doesn't make a photon torpedo sound but the sound of the weapons station phaser button being pushed from TOS?

I thought that was stoopid.

Anyone else?

The entire Associates & (Bran) Ferren effects fiasco on TFF just stinks. I'm sure he did the best he could...but dudes who run small effects houses and normally do little more than TV commercial work should not be doing f/x for multimillion-dollar franchise films. Especially in the era before CGI hit big. Effects like the aforementioned torpedo sound and look are all the more reason why TFF needs a CGI Remastering.

 

[miraclefan]

Ah star trek 5, will you ''EVER'' stop being funny?

 

[QuasarVM]

Ah star trek 5, will you ''EVER'' stop being funny?

I sure hope not...cos that's the reason I watch it when I do.