Maybe in other stories. But, I think Star Trek benefits by exploring what makes people tick, and their motivation. I mean, if people enslaving Kor can become an ally then why can't T'Pring get some fleshing out?
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if we want to talk artistic quality, acting and performance star trek 2009 is the stronger of the two. It will be laughable to compare both if this was film school.
I think it is different stokes, however you can measure some things. I remember when star trek 2009 came out, the reception back then of the film was that it could have been a best picture nominee if the oscars were more diverse. I think in a time when Dune can get a best picture nomination in an expanded 10 film category, star trek 2009 would have gotten one also in 2010.
Also when SFX magazine named their top movies for each genre for ending decade, star trek 2009 was named the best sci fi movie of the decade. I remember the list also having harry potter for best blockbuster of the decade and the dark knight for best comic film for the decade and lord of the rings for best trilogy of the decade.
this was the standard for the 09 film. here we are just happy SNW is better than discovery and picard??
SNW right now I wont even say is emmy worthy for best series and even in the VFX, Discovery season 1 VFX is better and also discovery season 1 , I would say had a better acting cast. The actors for Sarek and Saru to name a few. so far I dont think any actor in SNW has been a stand out in terms of acting.
SNW so far is still on the CW Level season 1 kind of quality. which does not mean it is bad, but it is still standard generic of its genre.
I think my issue is that I already see the series not living up to the the greatness of TNG.
Are you a film school instructor or member of the film industry? Otherwise I'm not sure at this point how your opinion would be any more valid than mine to apply film school standards.
Laan can be very off putting on the show. If I go by reddit fan discussion, she is the worst character of the show. Ortega is the most annoying.
La'an just comes off as overbearing. Pike was mighty tolerant of her storming the bridge during the Gorn episode and giving him orders. Kirk would have slapped that down in a heartbeat- actually, she would have known better than to try it with Kirk, lest she be snapped back like an academy plebe.
minor spoilers from La'an actress Christina Chong interviews
something tells me with Christina gushing over working with Kirk actor Paul Wesley that La'an probably will be interacting with Kirk a lot and I'm guessing he'll just go along with her overbearing ways. Heck, they probably will have a romance or something. So canon prime Kirk himself will probably not only accept La'an's abrasiveness, he might help encourage it. 
She is very offputting. I find that kind of interplay interesting because instead of slapping people down for being offputting Pike tries to work with them.
I've had better experiences with bosses like that than others. Give me Pike.
Yes I know a lot about what goes in film school.
By film school standard, this acting scene from Bruce Greenwood as Pike in star trek 2009. he will stand a better chance at getting an oscar nomination for best supporting actor than mount will ever be for a best supporting actor emmy performance.
Watching this scene, You can see the prestige and authority, Kelvin Pike has as the character. he is kirk's friend but he still knows the line of been a friend to kirk and a captain as well as father figure.
Also watch Chris Pine's performance in this scene were he says why are you talking to me men or sure he learned his lesson. That is more realistic acting with star trek 2009, I have yet to see in SNW. it is like SNW is trying too hard to be very self aware that they need to be cool for this audience age that subscribe to the marvel movies. hence on reddit some fans call Ortega the MCU quipping character.
Star Trek was doing quipping characters way before Marvel.
"still knows the line", "prestige and authority"--He promotes Kirk from cadet to captain in this same film. Again, he promotes Kirk from cadet to captain in this same film. There is no line between them. Any "prestige and authority" Pike has is a joke by film's end, despite how formal his military mannerisms might be. Anyone in the real world and realistically in the Trek universe would have started an investigation into favoritism and conflict of interest immediately.
That's most of Trek. Also, Kirk was a lieutenant.
Pike was injured gravely in trek 2009, which by the way has already made that a far better writing than SNW because SNW has gaslighted Pike's fate. Pike in discovery knows already what he will become, therfore the stakes has now lowered and it wont be much of a shock again when Pike meets his fate.
I trust fans have already had a mixed response on if discovery season 2 should have shown pike his fate, but that is the issue with this nu trek tv writing. the like to gaslight and re-use unnecessarily. they could not help but put that in discovery because they cannot write anything new. same with SNW how uhura or chapel could just have been new characters.
the kirk promotion has also been discussed by fans and no doubt that was too soon, however I was talking about acting and performance and so far so good. Chirs Pine and Bruce Greenwood has done a better job portraying these iconic characters than Peck and Mount seem to be doing. Peck and Mount would not have been able to carry a star trek movie with what they are doing right now.
I think it is because in marvel, quiping can be annoying and marvel is so successful that many will want to copy their formula including star trek.
Let's remember in discovery season 2, Michael has a red angel suit that almost does the same thing as tony star's iron man suit.
Also SNW light heartedness, could also be influenced by MCU since Disney loves marvel movies to be light and fun.
yes, I think that is it. SNW are like the marvel movies of star trek. quipping, generic writing, millennial dialogue and so on. its all surface level.
You do know this entire series was created and millions of dollars was spent because tons of people (not you obviously but a massive amount of people such that CBS, a typical corporation that doesn't usually care what fans think, took notice) asked for a Mount/Peck series based solely on their performances in a few episodes of Discovery? If they were really so terrible, we wouldn't even have this show!
Bruce Greenwood's Pike on the other hand was killed off immediately for shock value in the next movie. I agree Pine has had a solid career with Wonder Woman and now D&D on his plate, and Urban has that Boys series but let's be honest I doubt Boys has the viewer numbers that SNW has. Quinto hasn't done anything very high profile that I've heard of since Spock
You probably shouldn’t.
And the Gorn would have eaten them all for lunch.
Pike is smarter than Kirk.
Ortegas, Singh, Chapel - all great characters played by first-rate actors. And reddit sucks.
Way to duck a direct question, there.
Never said Mount was terrible. I said Greenwood presence in stronger than Pike.
Yes, CBS creates new shows and spent millions of dollars but I dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that no streaming trek show is been watched in the same viewership as the disney plus shows. star trek 2009 actually was the only star trek since maybe the star trek 4 the voyage home that could have success in a wide audience and still keep real high accliam enough to compete with other series in their own genre like harry potter and x-men that year in 2009. plus 4 Oscar nominations and many top ten best film list of that year 2009. Let's see SNW reception when not compared to Picard/Discovery. this show is average at best. star trek 2009 was great in any comparison.
Greenwood was not killed of for shock, if anything was done for shock it is the fact that this nu streaming trek has already made Pike see his future.
Also, as for the boys, I am watching it right now and it is great, I can also tell you that the boys likely has higher viewership. paramount plus to the first episode of trek on youtube for free, because they need as much ratings they can get.I dont think amazon has to do that with the boys.
Also Quinto is more of an indie and broadway actor and he was in America horror story as I said Quinto has a lot of range. he is more of a working actor than Pike who is a movie star.
You may not like the kelvin cast but please there is a fine line between not liking a cast and trying to down play the actors. SNW Cast are the cast that will need all the high profile, the acting part is not the strongest. in reception the one actor that seem to get praise the most is Celia Gooding, but she is from Broadway so yes, she was likely going to be the best actor in the show. John Cho and Anton (RIP) were better and more believable in their roles as Sulu and Chekov than Laan and Ortega.
Usually I dont like reddit as much because things can get too intense there, but I think they have a point with this one.
Laan has some of the same annoying character traits as the purple hair lady from last jedi. (Amilyn Holdo) who turned out to the the worst character in that movie.
they have a point because you agree with it, no other reason. It's all a matter of perspective right?
Not seeing much crossover there.
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