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What if Kirk faced the music
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ID and Beyond both used the concept that the new MacGyver often uses for its intros; throw the characters into a fun, crazy dilemma for the first few minutes (pre-opening credits in the TV show's case), then get to the episode story afterwards.
I'm wondering if those fun openers are actually rejected full-episode ideas (gotta use them somehow)?
I'm wondering if those fun openers are actually rejected full-episode ideas (gotta use them somehow)?
True, but it only introduces the life-sucking weapon to the plot and is Kirk's last straw. What the Fibonans thought of the rejection of the artifact is not explored.
MacGyver was doing that way back in the 80s. During the first season, the adventure in the teaser was completely unconnected to the adventure later on.
What I always wished they had somehow included was the fact that this young crew had shortly before tragically failed to save a planet (Vulcan) and that their response made sense. They were basically being made to watch another species/world be destroyed which was almost cruel of Starfleet.How can they be shocked that they decided to do something about it when they couldn't save Vulcan. Interesting thought anyway. I've always figured that would've played a part in it the decision anyway.
Right, I agree, but to me the bottom line was Kirk was not ready to be Captain. And this decision he made in regards to Nibiru proved that. As mentioned, I think the psychology behind that choice is more on Starfleet's plate than it is Kirk's, though that may have been part of Marcus's plan by sending them there. If Kirk had not lied about it, they might not have wanted to send him back to the Academy but maybe make him a Commander like Pike had to argue for. I got the feeling it wasn't just that he had lied on official report that was the issue. He broke the Prime directive and the fact they altered the planet's destiny as Pike says, all without asking Starfleet.
Granted, he did think he was above the rules and that he was untouchable because he hadn't lost crew members. He then planned to commit the same mistake by going after Khan and firing on the Klingons, but then his better half made him stop and think. I always thought STID was dealing with the fact that Kirk should not yet have been a Captain.
Granted, he did think he was above the rules and that he was untouchable because he hadn't lost crew members. He then planned to commit the same mistake by going after Khan and firing on the Klingons, but then his better half made him stop and think. I always thought STID was dealing with the fact that Kirk should not yet have been a Captain.
I am inclined to agree. I hear so much grief towards ST 09 and Kirk's fast track to captain. And yet, the film series owns that by demonstrating his impulsiveness is not always an asset and that he has a lesson that he still needs to learn. It's the one that Spock tries to teach him at the beginning, the lesson of the Kobyashi Maru, that people might have to die. In this instance, Kirk made the choice to die. Best lesson in the film and a great follow through from the theme of the last one.
Oh I do too, and that is what I always saw STID dealing with. Kirk's outburst to Spock to loosely quote, "I have no idea what I am supposed to do, I only know what I can do. The Enterprise and her crew needs someone on that chair who knows what he's doing. That's not me. It's you, Spock." Shows he has finally learned this lesson.
It's Spock, this cuts out before he says the part about the chair.
This one has the full quote starting at 3:57
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