Kirk's rank

[fireproof78]

Interesting. Is that a real world thing in the navy?

Navy midshipmen are considered non-commissioned officers: Legally, midshipmen are a special grade of uncommissioned officer that ranks between the senior noncommissioned enlisted grade (E-9) and the lowest grade of chief warrant officer

They have their own chain of command and but the commanding officer has some discretion in inserting people to the ship's chain.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

We only see Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura as current cadets. Chekov and Sulu may have already graduated and been commissioned, as was the case with Spock and Scotty.

Was Spock a full graduate who had done some other things, then come back, or a graduate student who also taught?

 

[fireproof78]

Was Spock a full graduate who had done some other things, then come back, or a graduate student who also taught?

Admiral Barnett at the hearing calls Spock the Academy's most distinguished graduates. So, he must have come back for an instructor stint at the Academy, like Prime Kirk is referred to as in "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

 

[C.E. Evans]

"Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk--in his class, you either think...or sink."
--Gary Mitchell

Presumably, Prime Kirk came back to the Academy as an instructor after serving for awhile as an ensign on the USS Republic.

 

[F. King Daniel]

"Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk--in his class, you either think...or sink."
--Gary Mitchell

Presumably, Prime Kirk came back to the Academy as an instructor after serving for awhile as an ensign on the USS Republic.

I think an old novel had it where Kirk graduated but immediately stayed a 5th year to teach.

But my read of the line was always that Kirk was super-sharp, so in classes he attended fellow cadets were pushed hard.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I dunno - "watch out" implies vigilance. If Kirk is a fellow student in your class, he has his work and you have yours. If he's a teacher, however, you have to watch out for any surprises he might pull, or for him looking over your shoulder at any moment - he's not content to let you just skate by.

 

[M'Sharak]

Yeah, if Kirk is just another student, then it's a class he's in.

If he's the instructor, then it's his class -- and you want to be sure you've got a good handle on the answer if he calls on you, otherwise you're sunk.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe SNW will show us Professor (Lieutenant) Kirk's philosophy class. I assume that's what he taught since Mitchell said he was reading "that longhair stuff you like" (apparently including Spinoza).

I wonder if Kelvin Kirk would have taught a class on "classic" music (the kind he played to destroy the swarm).

 

[The Wormhole]

Maybe SNW will show us Professor (Lieutenant) Kirk's philosophy class.

Seeing as how he's a Lt Commander and XO of the Farragut in SNW, not likely.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Oh, well, at least we know he's read the Bible and The Scarlet Letter, so the "stack of books" thing checks out.

 

[J. Random Redshirt]

We only see Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura as current cadets. Chekov and Sulu may have already graduated and been commissioned, as was the case with Spock and Scotty.

In TOS, Kirk once said he was 34 (The Deadly Years), and Chekov once said he was 22 (Who Mourns for Adonais). With that age difference, it's unclear how they're cadets at the same time.

(Oops, I was supposed to post this in the "why the Kelvinverse makes no sense" thread...)

 

[Nerys Myk]

In TOS, Kirk once said he was 34 (The Deadly Years), and Chekov once said he was 22 (Who Mourns for Adonais). With that age difference, it's unclear how they're cadets at the same time.

(Oops, I was supposed to post this in the "why the Kelvinverse makes no sense" thread...)

Kirk entered the Academy as a man in his twenties. Chekov was a prodigy and entered as a teen.

 

[J. Random Redshirt]

Kirk entered the Academy as a man in his twenties. Chekov was a prodigy and entered as a teen.

If by "teen" you mean 13, I guess that lines up (Memory Alpha shows Chekov being born in 2245, and ST2009 events being in 2258). He looks a little older than that onscreen. I guess we can speculate about growth hormones or something...

 

[Nerys Myk]

If by "teen" you mean 13, I guess that lines up (Memory Alpha shows Chekov being born in 2245, and ST2009 events being in 2258). He looks a little older than that onscreen. I guess we can speculate about growth hormones or something...

Kelvin Chekov was born in 2241. Unlike the rest he's not quite the same character.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Kirk entered the Academy as a man in his twenties. Chekov was a prodigy and entered as a teen.

Kelvin Kirk had a late start to his career - growing up without a father, he became a good-for-nothing troublemaker until Pike gave him a pep talk, and then he began to apply himself. Kirk Prime had his father's influence and example to guide him in person, and he went into the Academy much earlier.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Being a genius, he was probably in the AP classes/an accelerated program of the Academy, which would give him a guaranteed rank.

IIRC, in the prime timeline, Kirk graduated from the Academy as a Lieutenant.

 

[Nerys Myk]

IIRC, in the prime timeline, Kirk graduated from the Academy as a Lieutenant.

He served as an instructor at the Academy as a Lieutenant.

 

[fireproof78]

Kelvin Chekov was born in 2241. Unlike the rest he's not quite the same character.

The first clue is the hair.

Kelvin Kirk had a late start to his career - growing up without a father, he became a good-for-nothing troublemaker until Pike gave him a pep talk, and then he began to apply himself. Kirk Prime had his father's influence and example to guide him in person, and he went into the Academy much earlier.

Pike kind of stepped in to that role and used his influence. I don't agree with Kirk's rapid promotion but I do think he was a lieutenant at the time of the Narada crisis and moved up from O-3 to O-6 due to a number of factors, including Pike's influence, the loss of several crews and cadets, and being a "genius level" student.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Kelvin Chekov was born in 2241. Unlike the rest he's not quite the same character.

From a real life, technical standpoint: He cannot be the same person.

Thematically though, he's very much Chekov and they just changed his age.

 

[Kor]

Yes, Chekov states his age as 17 in ST 09.

Kor