Voyager season 3

[cosmic mouse]

"Warlord" is excellent!
"Sacred Ground" is a good one because it shows how Janeway is ready to sacrifice herself for any member of her crew.
I'm not too fond of "Macrocosm", too much a rip off of an excellent horror movie and "Scorpion"........well, I don't know, there are episodes I like better.

As for "Future's End" i really like it, partly because it's a very exciting and good episode overall and partly because it gave us one of the best villains in any series, Mr. Henry Starling!

Since you're a Kes fan I can see why you liked Warlord.... possessed-Kes did kick some ass and that black, leather-type outfit was moderately smashing. Lien also did a good job taking the helm of an episode, for a change.

 

[Sophie74656]

Since you're a Kes fan I can see why you liked Warlord.... possessed-Kes did kick some ass and that black, leather-type outfit was moderately smashing. Lien also did a good job taking the helm of an episode, for a change.

I have the exact oposite feeling. Yes, she looked good in the outfit but I think she cannot carry an episode. This episode showed that she was not a strong actor when it came to any kind of stronger emotion. It came off to me as a first year acting student playing dressup

 

[cosmic mouse]

Well, she ain't no Kate Mulgrew, but imo Lien did a decent job per the role. I do agree to the extent that Lien certainly isn't the best actor on the series though.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Scorpion 1/2 was, up until 3 months ago, the only VOY ep I had seen previously, and that when it first aired in the 90s. That ep is actually the reason that I'm watching the rest of the series now.

SCORPION is by far the best episode in my book (both parts). Exciting, dangerous, featuring the Borg and Species 8472 ... not to mention Leonardo da Vinci's workshop, which is my fav holodeck programme on VOY. Throughout Season 4 a lot of the stories will take place in this Renaissance milieu - funny and exciting eps at the same time.
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[Lynx]

Well, she ain't no Kate Mulgrew, but imo Lien did a decent job per the role. I do agree to the extent that Lien certainly isn't the best actor on the series though.

Maybe not the absolute best but still one of the best actors on the series!

 

[cosmic mouse]

SCORPION is by far the best episode in my book (both parts). Exciting, dangerous, featuring the Borg and Species 8472 ... not to mention Leonardo da Vinci's workshop, which is my fav holodeck programme on VOY. Throughout Season 4 a lot of the stories will take place in this Renaissance milieu - funny and exciting eps at the same time.
Here's a wallpaper you might have seen earlier on my thread:

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I like John Rhys-Davies and thought he was good as Da Vinci. He's also the bomb in LOTR and he was in a moderately decent, made for TV film about the 1912 shark attacks that inspired Jaws.

I was first introduced to Voyager ~1997-98, or whenever the Scorpion ep first aired, because my roommate was watching the series and I happened to sit down with him and watch that particular ep. This was also not that long after we had both seen First Contact, so I was already familiar with the Borg. I thought it was good, but then never watched another ep until I rewatched that one earlier this year. That prompted me to watch several of the eps that followed it (in random, non-sequential order for some reason) and then the pilot (Caretaker ep). I then decided to just go back and watch the entire series from start to finish.

Maybe not the absolute best but still one of the best actors on the series!

Mulgrew, Picardo, and possibly Jeri Ryan have her beat... she's def better than Wang (snooze) and Beltran (sorry, Mr. Hot Stuff: you turn me on, but not necessarily with your acting prowess!) though. And maybe better than Phillips, but I can't tell if that's the acting (prob not) or the character of Neelix just having an annoying effect on me.

 

[Sophie74656]

Nice desktop!
I like John Rhys-Davies and thought he was good as Da Vinci. He's also the bomb in LOTR and he was in a moderately decent, made for TV film about the 1912 shark attacks that inspired Jaws.

I was first introduced to Voyager ~1997-98, or whenever the Scorpion ep first aired, because my roommate was watching the series and I happened to sit down with him and watch that particular ep. This was also not that long after we had both seen First Contact, so I was already familiar with the Borg. I thought it was good, but then never watched another ep until I rewatched that one earlier this year. That prompted me to watch several of the eps that followed it (in random, non-sequential order for some reason) and then the pilot (Caretaker ep). I then decided to just go back and watch the entire series from start to finish.



Mulgrew, Picardo, and possibly Jeri Ryan have her beat... she's def better than Wang (snooze) and Beltran (sorry, Mr. Hot Stuff: you turn me on, but not necessarily with your acting prowess!) though. And maybe better than Phillips, but I can't tell if that's the acting (prob not) or the character of Neelix just having an annoying effect on me.

There are episodes where certain people shine, but some people are never given the chance. Some people had their chance and didn't shine. For example episodes like Lineage, Extreme Risk, and Barge of the Dead show what a great actress Roxann Dawson is. Kate Mulgrew...well there are far too many episodes to name but she's amazing every time. Episodes like Infinite Regress and Body and Soul show what a great actress Jeri Ryan is. Episodes like Rise, Jetrel, and Mortal Coil show that Ethan Phillips is a great actor as well.

But then you have.....Cold Fire, Warlord, Elogium, and they show you that Jennifer Lien can't handle the more complex acting parts. She's fine handing the doctor a hypospray and talking softly but can't do much of anything else.

Tattoo, The Fight, Nemesis show that Beltran is just ok. Not the worst but not the best. Same goes for Garrett Wang and Tim Russ. They had a few episodes each and I don't think their acting was terrible but it certainly wasn't great.

As much as I want to, I can't say that Robbie McNeill was great but he was not the worst. What I always found amazing about him were his reactions. Perhaps he wasn't the best at being in the lead but his facial reactions to things were always great.

Edit...I forgot Robert Picardo. I think he was also at the top of the list in terms of acting chops. He had lots of oportunities to shine and show his range. And I personally always loved when he would sing

 

[cosmic mouse]

There are episodes where certain people shine, but some people are never given the chance. Some people had their chance and didn't shine. For example episodes like Lineage, Extreme Risk, and Barge of the Dead show what a great actress Roxann Dawson is. Kate Mulgrew...well there are far too many episodes to name but she's amazing every time. Episodes like Infinite Regress and Body and Soul show what a great actress Jeri Ryan is. Episodes like Rise, Jetrel, and Mortal Coil show that Ethan Phillips is a great actor as well.

But then you have.....Cold Fire, Warlord, Elogium, and they show you that Jennifer Lien can't handle the more complex acting parts. She's fine handing the doctor a hypospray and talking softly but can't do much of anything else.

Tattoo, The Fight, Nemesis show that Beltran is just ok. Not the worst but not the best. Same goes for Garrett Wang and Tim Russ. They had a few episodes each and I don't think their acting was terrible but it certainly wasn't great.

As much as I want to, I can't say that Robbie McNeill was great but he was not the worst. What I always found amazing about him were his reactions. Perhaps he wasn't the best at being in the lead but his facial reactions to things were always great.

Edit...I forgot Robert Picardo. I think he was also at the top of the list in terms of acting chops. He had lots of oportunities to shine and show his range. And I personally always loved when he would sing

I suspected Jeri Ryan was a pretty decent actor... haven't seen most of the eps she was in, but the ones I saw she was pretty impressive imo. I'll keep an eye out for both Infinite Regress and Body & Soul. Pretty sure I haven't seen those yet, but I have really liked what I have seen of Ryan so far.
IMHO, it's more difficult to judge acting chops on a show like Star Trek, where most of the characters are written to be well-defined, maybe even slightly stereotypical in some ways, and rather unique. I'm probably not the best judge of the craft myself, not having any real experience with it, but it sort of "muddies" my ability to judge something (even as an amateur) when the writing is part of the reason for the actors taking on the stances/attitudes/etc. that are on display onscreen. It's the reason why Neelix is a little inscrutable to me. To a lesser extent, it might be a little tough to judge Russ' performance as Tuvok, for example, simply because much of the material he's given (per character) is rather stoic and dry in nature. Beltran seemed (in some eps, mind you, not all) to be a little off his game. I'd seen him previously in a few movies (e.g. Eating Raoul) where I thought he did a much better job, but those roles were also nothing like the character of Chakotay and the environment nothing like that in Star Trek.

 

[Sophie74656]

I suspected Jeri Ryan was a pretty decent actor... haven't seen most of the eps she was in, but the ones I saw she was pretty impressive imo. I'll keep an eye out for both Infinite Regress and Body & Soul. Pretty sure I haven't seen those yet, but I have really liked what I have seen of Ryan so far.
IMHO, it's more difficult to judge acting chops on a show like Star Trek, where most of the characters are written to be well-defined, maybe even slightly stereotypical in some ways, and rather unique. I'm probably not the best judge of the craft myself, not having any real experience with it, but it sort of "muddies" my ability to judge something (even as an amateur) when the writing is part of the reason for the actors taking on the stances/attitudes/etc. that are on display onscreen. It's the reason why Neelix is a little inscrutable to me. To a lesser extent, it might be a little tough to judge Russ' performance as Tuvok, for example, simply because much of the material he's given (per character) is rather stoic and dry in nature. Beltran seemed (in some eps, mind you, not all) to be a little off his game. I'd seen him previously in a few movies (e.g. Eating Raoul) where I thought he did a much better job, but those roles were also nothing like the character of Chakotay and the environment nothing like that in Star Trek.

The better episodes are coming up later in later seasons so there's something for you to look forward to

I'm no actor either, but I judge someone's acting ability on whether or not I believe what they are feeling, and if their delivery takes me out of the moment. It's kind of hard to put into words but if I watch someone and it looks like an actor acting, then I don't feel they are that good. But if I watch something and it feels like that character going through whatever they're going through then I think they're good. Example...Warlord, to me it was Jennifer Lien dressed up in a leather outfit struggling to act in a scene. But in Lineage, it was B'elanna going through a personal struggle, not Roxann Dawson acting as B'Elanna. Does that make sense?

 

[cosmic mouse]

The better episodes are coming up later in later seasons so there's something for you to look forward to

I'm no actor either, but I judge someone's acting ability on whether or not I believe what they are feeling, and if their delivery takes me out of the moment. It's kind of hard to put into words but if I watch someone and it looks like an actor acting, then I don't feel they are that good. But if I watch something and it feels like that character going through whatever they're going through then I think they're good. Example...Warlord, to me it was Jennifer Lien dressed up in a leather outfit struggling to act in a scene. But in Lineage, it was B'elanna going through a personal struggle, not Roxann Dawson acting as B'Elanna. Does that make sense?

Yes, that all makes perfect sense and I completely agree... if I can't tell an actor is acting and/or, if I am taken out of my own reality temporarily by their character's actions, etc. then that to me equates to decent acting. All of that is subjective though, as with critique of any art form.
For example, I didn't feel that Lien was struggling to act during Warlord, but there have been other times when I wasn't fully convinced by her persona, so I can understand where you're coming from. Similarly, there have been a number of times now when I haven't been convinced by Beltran's delivery of certain lines, even though I would say I have a positive bias towards his character...

...anyway, it's all good.
And I'm really looking forward to some of the later eps, mainly so I can see more of 7 of 9. I've only seen a handful of eps featuring that character, but I've loved all of them, which is why I mentioned Ryan, but I haven't seen enough for me to really judge her acting (even subjectively) at this point.

 

[Sophie74656]

Yes, that all makes perfect sense and I completely agree... if I can't tell an actor is acting and/or, if I am taken out of my own reality temporarily by their character's actions, etc. then that to me equates to decent acting. All of that is subjective though, as with critique of any art form.
For example, I didn't feel that Lien was struggling to act during Warlord, but there have been other times when I wasn't fully convinced by her persona, so I can understand where you're coming from. Similarly, there have been a number of times now when I haven't been convinced by Beltran's delivery of certain lines, even though I would say I have a positive bias towards his character...

...anyway, it's all good.
And I'm really looking forward to some of the later eps, mainly so I can see more of 7 of 9. I've only seen a handful of eps featuring that character, but I've loved all of them, which is why I mentioned Ryan, but I haven't seen enough for me to really judge her acting (even subjectively) at this point.

Of course, it's all a matter of opinion

 

[Lynx]

The better episodes are coming up later in later seasons so there's something for you to look forward to

I'm no actor either, but I judge someone's acting ability on whether or not I believe what they are feeling, and if their delivery takes me out of the moment. It's kind of hard to put into words but if I watch someone and it looks like an actor acting, then I don't feel they are that good. But if I watch something and it feels like that character going through whatever they're going through then I think they're good. Example...Warlord, to me it was Jennifer Lien dressed up in a leather outfit struggling to act in a scene. But in Lineage, it was B'elanna going through a personal struggle, not Roxann Dawson acting as B'Elanna. Does that make sense?

Honestly, I think that your personal dislike of the character Kes and Jennifer Lien is obstructing your objectivity in this case.

I think that Roxann Dawson is a very good actress but I think Lien was much better to show different emotions in a more convincing way.

I don't think any of the Voyager actors were weak, maybe Wang but he was never really bad and he didn't have so much good material to work with

 

[Sophie74656]

Honestly, I think that your personal dislike of the character Kes and Jennifer Lien is obstructing your objectivity in this case.

I think that Roxann Dawson is a very good actress but I think Lien was much better to show different emotions in a more convincing way.

I don't think any of the Voyager actors were weak, maybe Wang but he was never really bad and he didn't have so much good material to work with

Honestly I think your obsession with Kes is obstructing YOUR objectivity in this case.

I'm allowed to have a different opinion than you.

 

[Odonna]

Opinions about acting skills and favorites are so subjective, I’m going to stay out of that. Back to my 2 cents on S3. I’ll just comment here on ones you say you’ve seen so far, Cosmic Mouse.

I already said I liked “Basics Pt 2” under S2. I have heard that there was a shake up behind the scenes between S2 & S3. Amazingly, Part 1 was shot w/o Part 2 even being written. So when certain producers/writers were pushed out, the story ending that some had in mind changed. Seska was suddenly killed off, Chakotay’s baby wasn’t his anymore. The focus in S3 also went into individual episodes. So the quality of episodes did improve in S3, but there was a bit of a loss in the rudimentary story arc they had going previously.

“Flashback” was interesting for the earlier actors/setting and for Tuvok’s backstory.

“The Swarm” – You didn’t mention this one. This one sticks out to me because they were clearly warned to stay out of their space, and Janeway trespassed anyway and then proceeds to destroy their ships when confronted. So much for the captain’s high-minded ideals.

“False Profits” is not a favorite. I wasn’t even going to re-watch it, but after seeing all of my favorite eps again, I started browsing the others for anything of interest. And I was amazed! Chakotay led the Away Team and didn’t get injured! He didn’t have his tattoo on the planet! He and Tom mingled with the planet inhabitants! After what they did to the show later on, I’ve come to appreciate re-discovering small gifts from VOY.

“Remember” is good. Another tough topic. But the mystery of whose memories they were and why she was sharing them with B’Elanna was quite engaging.

“Sacred Ground”—I have love/hate feelings toward this episode. It sets up a kind of straw man religious belief/ritual that most viewers can’t relate to. And I hate it that not one person from Voyager ever apologized for Kes desecrating their temple! (Yes, she didn't know, but still, she wasn't supposed to be there) On the other hand, I love that Janeway starts out arrogant and self-righteous and then ends up accepting that she must do something that she doesn’t understand in order to save Kes.

I love how she meets her spiritual guide trying to fix a light. Reminded me of when Luke met Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, the unexpected master. I love that Janeway’s impatience and presumption causes her to put herself through a bunch of ordeals only to find that visiting with the 3 people in the waiting room was what she was actually supposed to do. I love that the true preparation is serving and connecting with other people. I do wish that Janeway and Kes would have entered the temple at the end and actually had some sort of small epiphany that changes the captain in some way. Helps her to have a more open mind. After the Doctor’s explanation at the end, the captain takes a small pause, but it would have been nicer IMO for it to be more obvious that saving Kes and surviving the temple could not actually be explained by the tricorder.

“Future’s End” Parts 1 & 2 – I have to confess I thought I would like these episodes more than I did. Much of the Temporal Police stuff was convoluted and inconsistent. It sort of seems like the whole reason for the episodes was so that the doctor could get a 29th Century Mobile Emitter. Which, if they had been paying attention, the Time Police should have confiscated, and no one should have remembered the alt timeline at the end.

Nevertheless, it was fun to see the crew in civvies—except for Tuvok. Couldn’t they come up with a more dignified outfit than that? And since Mulgrew can’t be bothered to react to Chakotay’s joke about the girl having her legs, it just falls flat. Cool, though, that you recognized someone you know on the boardwalk, CM!

In Part 2 Chakotay and B’Elanna have their shuttle shot down by militiamen. What--? And Chakotay tells them violence isn’t the answer. What--? Did they hit him on the head and he forgot that he was in the Maquis--? That he loves a good fight--? And that Voyager uses violence everywhere they go--??!! However, Voyager flying through California skies is cool; and Tom’s interactions with the Griffith Park Observatory girl is very cute.

I don’t think I ever recorded “Warlord” on my VHS tapes. I can’t find it anyway to re-watch. That in itself is my opinion, I guess. Have to get the DVD set.

More comments later.

 

[Sophie74656]

Opinions about acting skills and favorites are so subjective, I’m going to stay out of that. Back to my 2 cents on S3. I’ll just comment here on ones you say you’ve seen so far, Cosmic Mouse.

I already said I liked “Basics Pt 2” under S2. I have heard that there was a shake up behind the scenes between S2 & S3. Amazingly, Part 1 was shot w/o Part 2 even being written. So when certain producers/writers were pushed out, the story ending that some had in mind changed. Seska was suddenly killed off, Chakotay’s baby wasn’t his anymore. The focus in S3 also went into individual episodes. So the quality of episodes did improve in S3, but there was a bit of a loss in the rudimentary story arc they had going previously.

“Flashback” was interesting for the earlier actors/setting and for Tuvok’s backstory.

“The Swarm” – You didn’t mention this one. This one sticks out to me because they were clearly warned to stay out of their space, and Janeway trespassed anyway and then proceeds to destroy their ships when confronted. So much for the captain’s high-minded ideals.

“False Profits” is not a favorite. I wasn’t even going to re-watch it, but after seeing all of my favorite eps again, I started browsing the others for anything of interest. And I was amazed! Chakotay led the Away Team and didn’t get injured! He didn’t have his tattoo on the planet! He and Tom mingled with the planet inhabitants! After what they did to the show later on, I’ve come to appreciate re-discovering small gifts from VOY.

“Remember” is good. Another tough topic. But the mystery of whose memories they were and why she was sharing them with B’Elanna was quite engaging.

“Sacred Ground”—I have love/hate feelings toward this episode. It sets up a kind of straw man religious belief/ritual that most viewers can’t relate to. And I hate it that not one person from Voyager ever apologized for Kes desecrating their temple! (Yes, she didn't know, but still, she wasn't supposed to be there) On the other hand, I love that Janeway starts out arrogant and self-righteous and then ends up accepting that she must do something that she doesn’t understand in order to save Kes.

I love how she meets her spiritual guide trying to fix a light. Reminded me of when Luke met Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, the unexpected master. I love that Janeway’s impatience and presumption causes her to put herself through a bunch of ordeals only to find that visiting with the 3 people in the waiting room was what she was actually supposed to do. I love that the true preparation is serving and connecting with other people. I do wish that Janeway and Kes would have entered the temple at the end and actually had some sort of small epiphany that changes the captain in some way. Helps her to have a more open mind. After the Doctor’s explanation at the end, the captain takes a small pause, but it would have been nicer IMO for it to be more obvious that saving Kes and surviving the temple could not actually be explained by the tricorder.

“Future’s End” Parts 1 & 2 – I have to confess I thought I would like these episodes more than I did. Much of the Temporal Police stuff was convoluted and inconsistent. It sort of seems like the whole reason for the episodes was so that the doctor could get a 29th Century Mobile Emitter. Which, if they had been paying attention, the Time Police should have confiscated, and no one should have remembered the alt timeline at the end.

Nevertheless, it was fun to see the crew in civvies—except for Tuvok. Couldn’t they come up with a more dignified outfit than that? And since Mulgrew can’t be bothered to react to Chakotay’s joke about the girl having her legs, it just falls flat. Cool, though, that you recognized someone you know on the boardwalk, CM!

In Part 2 Chakotay and B’Elanna have their shuttle shot down by militiamen. What--? And Chakotay tells them violence isn’t the answer. What--? Did they hit him on the head and he forgot that he was in the Maquis--? That he loves a good fight--? And that Voyager uses violence everywhere they go--??!! However, Voyager flying through California skies is cool; and Tom’s interactions with the Griffith Park Observatory girl is very cute.

I don’t think I ever recorded “Warlord” on my VHS tapes. I can’t find it anyway to re-watch. That in itself is my opinion, I guess. Have to get the DVD set.

More comments later.

the episdoes are available to stream on Netflix and Hulu (at least in the United States, don't know where you are located)

 

[timtonruben359]

For me seasons 3 and 4 are the years Voyager peaks. After season 4 I find the quality of series starts to wane as the focus shits to Janeway/Seven/Doctor.

 

[Odonna]

the episdoes are available to stream on Netflix and Hulu (at least in the United States, don't know where you are located)

Thanks! I've been thinking of getting the DVDs anyway...

 

[Sophie74656]

Thanks! I've been thinking of getting the DVDs anyway...

The original versions should have come down in price by now, you can probably find them used. There is supposed to be a rerelease of them soon

 

[Sophie74656]

For me seasons 3 and 4 are the years Voyager peaks. After season 4 I find the quality of series starts to wane as the focus shits to Janeway/Seven/Doctor.

This is one of those things that everyone says about Voyager but is not actually true. In this forum several times we've done breakdowns of all the episodes based on who is featured in them and the results are more or less even.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Opinions about acting skills and favorites are so subjective, I’m going to stay out of that. Back to my 2 cents on S3. I’ll just comment here on ones you say you’ve seen so far, Cosmic Mouse.

I already said I liked “Basics Pt 2” under S2. I have heard that there was a shake up behind the scenes between S2 & S3. Amazingly, Part 1 was shot w/o Part 2 even being written. So when certain producers/writers were pushed out, the story ending that some had in mind changed. Seska was suddenly killed off, Chakotay’s baby wasn’t his anymore. The focus in S3 also went into individual episodes. So the quality of episodes did improve in S3, but there was a bit of a loss in the rudimentary story arc they had going previously.

“Flashback” was interesting for the earlier actors/setting and for Tuvok’s backstory.

“The Swarm” – You didn’t mention this one. This one sticks out to me because they were clearly warned to stay out of their space, and Janeway trespassed anyway and then proceeds to destroy their ships when confronted. So much for the captain’s high-minded ideals.

“False Profits” is not a favorite. I wasn’t even going to re-watch it, but after seeing all of my favorite eps again, I started browsing the others for anything of interest. And I was amazed! Chakotay led the Away Team and didn’t get injured! He didn’t have his tattoo on the planet! He and Tom mingled with the planet inhabitants! After what they did to the show later on, I’ve come to appreciate re-discovering small gifts from VOY.

“Remember” is good. Another tough topic. But the mystery of whose memories they were and why she was sharing them with B’Elanna was quite engaging.

“Sacred Ground”—I have love/hate feelings toward this episode. It sets up a kind of straw man religious belief/ritual that most viewers can’t relate to. And I hate it that not one person from Voyager ever apologized for Kes desecrating their temple! (Yes, she didn't know, but still, she wasn't supposed to be there) On the other hand, I love that Janeway starts out arrogant and self-righteous and then ends up accepting that she must do something that she doesn’t understand in order to save Kes.

I love how she meets her spiritual guide trying to fix a light. Reminded me of when Luke met Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, the unexpected master. I love that Janeway’s impatience and presumption causes her to put herself through a bunch of ordeals only to find that visiting with the 3 people in the waiting room was what she was actually supposed to do. I love that the true preparation is serving and connecting with other people. I do wish that Janeway and Kes would have entered the temple at the end and actually had some sort of small epiphany that changes the captain in some way. Helps her to have a more open mind. After the Doctor’s explanation at the end, the captain takes a small pause, but it would have been nicer IMO for it to be more obvious that saving Kes and surviving the temple could not actually be explained by the tricorder.

“Future’s End” Parts 1 & 2 – I have to confess I thought I would like these episodes more than I did. Much of the Temporal Police stuff was convoluted and inconsistent. It sort of seems like the whole reason for the episodes was so that the doctor could get a 29th Century Mobile Emitter. Which, if they had been paying attention, the Time Police should have confiscated, and no one should have remembered the alt timeline at the end.

Nevertheless, it was fun to see the crew in civvies—except for Tuvok. Couldn’t they come up with a more dignified outfit than that? And since Mulgrew can’t be bothered to react to Chakotay’s joke about the girl having her legs, it just falls flat. Cool, though, that you recognized someone you know on the boardwalk, CM!

In Part 2 Chakotay and B’Elanna have their shuttle shot down by militiamen. What--? And Chakotay tells them violence isn’t the answer. What--? Did they hit him on the head and he forgot that he was in the Maquis--? That he loves a good fight--? And that Voyager uses violence everywhere they go--??!! However, Voyager flying through California skies is cool; and Tom’s interactions with the Griffith Park Observatory girl is very cute.

I don’t think I ever recorded “Warlord” on my VHS tapes. I can’t find it anyway to re-watch. That in itself is my opinion, I guess. Have to get the DVD set.

More comments later.

I didn't mention The Swarm, not because I didn't like it, but because an aspect of that ep touched on something that I am dealing with in my personal life and it honestly made it hard for me to engage fully with that story. For now it's an ep I like, but I really need to rewatch it in order to give more of an opinion than that.
Interesting about the personnel changes between the seasons... I hadn't heard that before. I can see where it would affect continuity. I think I read somewhere (maybe on this board, but can't be sure) that Wang was also dismissed at one point early(ish) on, but then returned. Not sure how valid that is, but it seems like there were some unsteady waters that were present almost from start to finish off-screen in this series.
I agree with you on pretty much all your sentiments towards these eps so far: False Profits I don't think I'll ever rewatch. I'm just not a fan of the Ferengi, for starters. And I share similar sentiments towards Sacred Ground, although maybe not to the extreme (love/hate for me= like/meh, in this case). And I loved Future's End mainly for some of the interaction between characters (and Tuvok's "civvies" made me LOL actually) and I just generally found it to be a good ep, in a swashbuckling kind of way.

Thanks again for your comments, Odonna.
That goes for all you guys- I really appreciate the comments/feedback in these threads. Discussing this show with people who are passionate about it makes it even more fun to watch for the first time.