Tuvok & Neelix

[STEPhon IT]

Neelix would've been a good pairing with Paris since he's a Peter Pan type officer who can't seem to act his own age. That couldn't happen because the writers made the mistake by having him interested in Kes which was completely far off anything imaginable... Paris a nurse??? I couldn't see him with B'Elanna and that was force fed in later seasons. If they weren't so committed by upstaging Harry all of the time I think Paris pairing with Neelix would've been organic and would open the doors to some opportunities.

Tuvok I thought would be a great pairing with B'Elanna, I love the aspect and contrast of characters who battle an internal conflict with emotions and other psychological issues and had learn to suppress and deal with it. There was enough to make at least 20 episodes with these great characters; just exploring these 2 aliens' philosophies and experimenting with them... of course B'Elanna didn't care much of it, but could Tuvok channel B'Elanna to find some interest in Vulcan mysticism? She had some fascination for Chakotay, who was sort of spiritual person, and she worship and honored him whenever she could. Tuvok could've been that person to dive her into her psyche and challenge them.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I've said before, I think Neelix would have been a great character if they respected his background more and made the boisterous personality kind of a front to make himself likable, when there's an untrusting pragmatist who spent years alone in the wild underneath.

 

[publiusr]

I enjoyed the “Mr. Vulcan” routine

 

[Oddish]

I guess if they mixed like oil and water, Tuvix really was like a cake, where they had to separate the ingredients after it was baked.

Neelix was a little like an overly cheerful grade school teacher. If Voyager had become a generational vessel, I could totally see him running the kindergarten classroom.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Neelix would've been a good pairing with Paris since he's a Peter Pan type officer who can't seem to act his own age. That couldn't happen because the writers made the mistake by having him interested in Kes which was completely far off anything imaginable... Paris a nurse??? I couldn't see him with B'Elanna and that was force fed in later seasons. If they weren't so committed by upstaging Harry all of the time I think Paris pairing with Neelix would've been organic and would open the doors to some opportunities.

Tuvok I thought would be a great pairing with B'Elanna, I love the aspect and contrast of characters who battle an internal conflict with emotions and other psychological issues and had learn to suppress and deal with it. There was enough to make at least 20 episodes with these great characters; just exploring these 2 aliens' philosophies and experimenting with them... of course B'Elanna didn't care much of it, but could Tuvok channel B'Elanna to find some interest in Vulcan mysticism? She had some fascination for Chakotay, who was sort of spiritual person, and she worship and honored him whenever she could. Tuvok could've been that person to dive her into her psyche and challenge them.

In the original script for blood fever, it was Tuvok throwing himself at B'Elanna.

Tim read the script and said "No thank you. I don't cheat on my wife, and Tuvok doesn't cheat on his wife. Move along."

 

[Oddish]

That was one thing I liked about Star Trek... there was generally free love (unless you were Harry Kim, then you got reprimanded) among the single, but married was married. Only time we even saw anything otherwise was when Kira was staying with the O'Brien family. And both Kira and Miles came down hard on it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That was one thing I liked about Star Trek... there was generally free love (unless you were Harry Kim, then you got reprimanded) among the single, but married was married. Only time we even saw anything otherwise was when Kira was staying with the O'Brien family. And both Kira and Miles came down hard on it.

Don't call Kieko an "it".

 

[Oddish]

"It" was the incipient attraction between Kira and Miles.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It’s a symptom of Voyager’s often lazy writing. Treating characters like the two dimensional sum of their base quirks, force conflict by tossing two characters with opposing quirks into a situation they must work together and reducing their emotional age to 13 until the last ten minutes of the episode.

Hack writing 101.

 

[Mr.Mork]

What? Jeri Ryan was a superb actress. I can rattle off a dozen episodes where she had scenes where her acting skills were amazing, "Infinite Regress" and "Body and Soul" to name two. The second or so time I watched "Infinite Regress", for a second I forgot she was Seven after she became the mother looking for her Starfleet officers son. Ditto for the chemistry between her and Robert Picardo in "Body and Soul". It's the same Voyager, it's the same "words on the page", it's the same writing and editing staff, but it's an instance where superb actor(s) brought the scenes to life.

Phillips was bad, I admit I'm making a stretch that he and he alone ruined Neelix, but from what I observe, i stand by it. Maybe he is a good actor and was just bad for the part. But I've seen him in other TV shows and he's just as bad. As someone else pointed out, his scenes with Tuvok weren't funny, they were awkward. His scenes with Kes weren't believeable, they were awkward. His scenes with Tom... you get it. And he was always played as a boob. This is the interpretation of the character and the interpretation of the words on the page, and the chemistry he has with the rest of the cast, which is under the actor's control most of the time.

"Patrick Stewart" isn't a great actor because he gets all the great lines. With this logic, every performance of "Hamlet' should be a masterpiece solely because of the words. That isn't the case, so it's wrong.



I think the interaction between Neelix and Tuvok was supposed to be comical an amusing, but there was no chemistry between the characters (or between Neelix and anybody really). Tuvok was the straight man, and had similar comical repartee with Paris and sometimes Kim, but his intereraction with Neelix was always just awkward instead of fun or funny. I don't think it was written to be awkward.

What? Jeri Ryan was a superb actress.

Was? Has she died? Thought she was still acting.

 

[Oddish]

She's still with us. She played Seven in Picard just recently.

 

[STEPhon IT]

In the original script for blood fever, it was Tuvok throwing himself at B'Elanna.

Tim read the script and said "No thank you. I don't cheat on my wife, and Tuvok doesn't cheat on his wife. Move along."

I wasn't thinking romantically, but to have more scenes with each other as a buddy like Paris & Kim because they, Russ and Dawson, understood their characters so well, but I never got why the producers so desperately wanted Paris to have a lover. Those are my 2 favorite characters on VOY, I wish there more stories with them together.

 

[Oddish]

Paris needed an experience that would get him to calm down, grow up, and wise up. Marrying B'Elanna and fathering a child did that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom shagged through the entire crew.

After B'lanna was done with him, his options were completely dried up, so Paris had to try and make that relationship last as long as possible, or he's a hermit, alone and chaste.

 

[Tenacity]

The original captain was hired for her name, not her performance

Combination most likely. Geneviève Bujold's career is long and distinguished, the chance to hire her as a series lead was opportunity not to be passed up. I don't buy the pace of the show was too much for her, Bujold had extensive experience in dozens of movie productions and multple television role going back to the early 1960's.

Maybe she didn't get along with Berman?

I saw a couple of short Voyager scenes she was in, thought she was good. Only real problem was the lack of background music and that would hardly be her fault.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Tom shagged through the entire crew.

After B'lanna was done with him, his options were completely dried up, so Paris had to try and make that relationship last as long as possible, or he's a hermit, alone and chaste.

I doubt they remained together after Voyager returned to Earth. I just didn't see the chemistry between them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They'd just had a baby minutes earlier.

 

[Oddish]

I doubt they remained together after Voyager returned to Earth. I just didn't see the chemistry between them.

I say the same about Seven and Chakotay. Every series seems to have one pointless pairing, and that was Voyager's. For TNG, it was Worf/Troi. For DS9, Ezri/Bashir.

 

[at Quark's]

I say the same about Seven and Chakotay. Every series seems to have one pointless pairing, and that was Voyager's. For TNG, it was Worf/Troi. For DS9, Ezri/Bashir.

Agreed. I can still see Paris and Torres together. It's perhaps not a 100% match, but still believable enough as they still seem to share some common ground. 7 and Chakotay on the other hand, really materialised out of thin air. That's not to say they never could have come together in a believable way, just that the series didn't show us that.

On top of that, perhaps you have discovered a deep Trek law here. Can you also name the mismatch in ENT, and TOS ? (I'll leave the newer series for now)

 

[Oddish]

TOS only had one female in Uhura, and the prejudices of the time would have made any romance problematic.

Enterprise... well, no, I can't think of one. But maybe if it had gone seven seasons instead of four, there would be. After all, the romances I mentioned were all 7th season affairs.