I guess you don;t really know how the Force works. Not that I blame you. But Dark Side is not an external influence. Dark Side is letting your emotionas, your wants control you, and using the power of the force 9or, in this case, her power) for yourself. For your own benefit, rather that what is needed. If anything, it's Ligh Side of the Force is external influence, giving yourself into the will of the force (which can translate into giving in into your connection to other life and do what this tells you, rather than what you wantt). Dark Side of the Force is using this connection to help yourself, as you want, at the expense of others.
Kes Returns - what episode would you have made?
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I think most of us here are pretty well exposed to Star Wars, and the Force.
I'm quite aware, being a Star Wars fan for about 45 years. And, no offense, but trying to shoehorn in a concept from an entirely different franchise into another franchise that has nothing to do with it, and then acting like its properties should absolutely be the same from one entirely different franchise to another one, is quite illogical. I would even go so far as to say that 'the Force' has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
I realize the idea is controversial, but I simply can find no other explanation for myself.
Then if that works for you, great. Please don't condescend to others if it doesn't work for them.
All right.
When I watch Voyager, it's only seasons 1-3.
I bought a used copy of season 4 a couple of years ago in a bargain shop and thought "well why not give it another try after all".
But I gave up halfways.
Then this spring when I thought about giving it another try, something had affected the discs. They looked like a frosty windows and were unable to play.
I saw it as a sign not to bother with Voyager after season 3 anymore!
That is what fan fiction is for. You can clean up anything you don't like. Just don't expect others with their own thoughts to buy into it.
Yes, but in that case, don't criticize those of us who try to restore ruined characters by writing our own stories instead of watching episodes and reading books full of character destruction.
You are a little sensitive when it comes to those issues, aren't you?
Curious, you and some others here want us to respect your anti-Kes comments but you don't respect us who happen to like the character.
And why screw up a thread about how a Kes return could or should have been done with negative comments about the character. A bit off-topic, isn't it?
I don't like ENT, I don't like DSC and I don't like PIC but I'm not spamming those forums with negative comments about the characters in those series.
And if character destruction works for you, please don't condescend to those who can't stand it.
This is an unfortunate trend in modern times. Demanding tolerance when showing none for people with diffrent ideas to you.
Clearly, you're not. Ick.You are a little sensitive when it comes to those issues, aren't you?
Neelix and the Real Girl.
Lonely Neelix rebuilds his lost girlfriend on the holodeck. Eventually he realizes that he is sad and creepy after a conversation with the Doctor, so he asks Captain Janeway on a real date, in the real world.
She rejects him, and they both go home to cry themselves to sleep.
The Doctor and Holo Kes live happily ever after.
Lonely Neelix rebuilds his lost girlfriend on the holodeck. Eventually he realizes that he is sad and creepy after a conversation with the Doctor, so he asks Captain Janeway on a real date, in the real world.
She rejects him, and they both go home to cry themselves to sleep.
The Doctor and Holo Kes live happily ever after.
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You might want to go back and reread the thread, and your part in it. I answered the original post honestly. You couldn’t let it slide that you didn’t like my response. You had to come back with pages on pages on why I and others were wrong.
Physician, heal thyself…
If you actually read my posts instead of throwing temper tantrums, you would see that I never once said that you couldn't think whatever the hell you wanted about Kes and 'Fury.' You can think she was actually the Salt Vampire for all I care. And you can hate the episode all you want and hate what they did with the character. What I said was that the intent of the producers and writers of that episode was that she was Kes, and she wasn't being influenced by any external factors, and all official publications and websites owned by CBS/Paramount have confirmed this. So hate it all you want, but that's the way it happened. I happen to hate what they did with Trip Tucker in ENT, but I'm not going to pretend that it didn't happen, as much as I would like to. But I'm not so emotionally invested in a fictional character that way.
You're correct. An unfortunate and downright stupid trend in the Dark Ages of the 2020's.
The Kes-Neelix relationship don't bother me at all.
At least not when it comes to numbers. What did bother me was that they grew apart quickly after joining the Voyager crew. Kes found new friends, became a nurse and developed while Neelix had problems to fit in. That was the reason why he came up with his whims about "Morale Officer", journalism and all that in order to feel important.
His jealousy when it came to Kes was probably the main reason why they drifted apart. That's why the relationship should have been broken up already in season 2 and been more carefully explained during 2-3 episodes instead of what happened in Warlord.
Kirk's actions were more.......well controversial but don't bother me that much either due to what we see everyday when it comes to celebrities of all sorts using their influence to pick up younger mates.
Honestly, I don't think that we need a "holo-Kes".
That's a good idea!
So we have an original post in which the poster wants a discussion about "Kes returns-what episode would you have made?
And you jump in and ditch the character immediately with a rather off-topic comment instead of ignoring a thread which obviously was of no interest for you.
And I reply:
Definitely not.
She's a great character who really represent the spirit of Star Trek.
To learn and explore.
Which is exactly what I think. I see no reason to change that and my comment wasn't insulting or agressive in any way.
After that arrives two posters whose comments I do find annoying and insulting but that's another story.
Of course I come back with comments about how I think you are wrong when you and your dear buddies continue to attack the character and my opinions about the character over and over again.
That's called a discussion!
And as long we can keep it rather cordial, I see no problem with it.
And why should I back down?
That would be an action of cowardice, wouldn't it?
As for the last comment in your previous post, I don't know exactly what that meant. But you may be out on thin ice there.
Yes, I can think what I want about it and that's what I'm doing.
Not to mention that the difference between you and me is when I see that something is broken, I want to fix it.
Good for you.
Unless I am suddenly given the IP to the Star Trek franchise, I can't fix what I consider to be broken.
Don't forget the angry face that went along with it.
Definitely not.
She's a great character who really represent the spirit of Star Trek.
To learn and explore.
Then my follow-up post...
Then, I don't post for a while. This is my next post...
And this follows...
Not until post #36 do I even mention Kes again...
At the end of the day, the only one who got combative, was you. You were the only one, in the whole discussion, that got combative about it.
Please show me where I attacked your opinion. Disagreement is not an attack.
Those that live in glass houses...
Not sure why I would be on thin ice there?
Well, maybe the "angry face" was a mistake. But it wasn't exactly aimed at you. It was more an expression about how I fellt when the thread immediately was turned into one of those "Kes bashing" threads.
Note also that I didn't bash any of those comments between your intitial comments and #post 36.
I remember coming up with a comment about "new engaging characters" but it wasn't rude or directed at you, it was all about my felings about current Trek which is not exactly what I like.
But then, when you started bickering, comparing Kes with Lisa of The Simpsons and criticizing me personally for thinking that those who think that Kes is crap are wrong, then it became more problematic.
But what are you doing now when you rattle off new posts with complaints faster than I can reply to them?
And that comment about "glass houses" was not the comment I replied to in my previous post.
Please point to where I posted this.
You said you didn't know what "physician, heal thyself" meant, it is akin to "glass houses".
