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Tim Russ was brilliant as Tuvok

What did you think of the episode "Riddles" from S5 or 6? Tuvok got mentally handicapped due to a brain injury and became "best friends" with Neelix, helping out in the mess hall. The ending brought me as close as TV can to tears. :wah:
Oh my god. I think I need to watch that episode just from that description alone.
 
Oh my god. I think I need to watch that episode just from that description alone.
9 days later update: I watched it. I think I almost cried at that ending. :wah::wah: It's the episode that's got the second most emotional reaction out of me (first was The Offspring from TNG, which made me actually cry) so far. New favourite Voyager episode, probably (that's most likely just because I haven't watched that much Voyager yet).

edit: misused an expression and it made me seem like i was mad lmao
 
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I'm happy that Voyager isn't completely unloved. I enjoyed it, although not as much as other Trek shows.

The reasons are several - the abandonment of the inter crew strife, the "forgetting" of supply shortages, the handwaving of torpedo / shuttle numbers and similar are obvious and well chewed over.

Ditto. The high points are as good as TNG's, but it's too often a little too samey.

The torpedo count thing has become a running gag on youtube. A good one, but still. In fact, here it is:

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(Mind the sound mixing at times, plus there's a lovely bonus for the use of "47", but still disappointed that they only started out with 9 too few...)

VOY had the potential to be like Blake's 7 -- a group of people, some with irreconcilable differences, having to work together to accomplish a bigger goal... Okay, for Trek it's "hightailing it home" and not "battling the evil Federation", but (not minding how it all feels like TNG-lite and repairs done to perfection every week) given how often Trek dived into the pool of "evil admiral or captain" for plot fodder, they missed an opportunity within an opportunity and turning Trek on its head, but that would then conflict against DS9 and Trek's legacy and audiences of the time would have balked. Besides, DS9 did something akin to some of that and with a lot more tact to begin with. That, and for every "evil cap'n of the week" there's three dozen (plus eleven :shifty: ) good captains so it's a moot point. Aren't you glad I haven't had my coffee yet? No worries, it's decaf and I'm just naturally this way...


But also it had the least attractive characters (I'm not on about physically) and cast.

Character archetypes one could relate to, or at least enjoy, especially when working opposite another character archetype that causes either synergy or contention, totally agreed. The (here it comes) Neelix/Tuvok double act is underrated.

It's easy to dump on Neelix, but he was awful in concept and writing. I think it's an enormous compliment to Ethan Phillips talent that he managed to make the character at all sympathetic. And he did.

Check out his performance in "Menage a Troi" as the Ferengi scientist. Fantastic performance, and range.

Plus, the concept - while a bit loose - isn't terrible. Neelix being that happy is an interesting idea. I need to rewatch his introductory episode.

The two I could never warm to were Janeway and Tuvok. Issues with writing, certainly (especially Janeway) but I disliked both portrayals, by Mulgrew and Russ.

I still don't like them. It's unlikely to change.

Janeway was hit or miss, despite good acting.

I adored Tuvok -- he explores a facet of Vulcans other and more than neurotypical as well as expanding Vulcan lore without frivolity, keeping it feeling germane to what had been set up before. IMHO, YMMV, OFC, EIEIO, 8675309, ET AL... :rofl:
 
Voyager is what you get when you take...
- A proven franchise
- A brilliant concept
- A charismatic and capable cast...

Then put it all in the hands of people who don't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant.
 
Voyager is what you get when you take...
- A proven franchise
- A brilliant concept
- A charismatic and capable cast...

Then put it all in the hands of people who don't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant.
Best way I can think of to describe it. :lol: So much potential, so much of it gone to waste.
 
He, too, was my favorite character. A pity Tim Russ wasn't tossed enough red meat (especially during the later seasons).
 
My controversial opinion? Tuvok is the most underrated character in all Trek.

Note: I’m not saying he’s the best character in all Trek, just the most overlooked/underrated.
 
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