The Hunger Games: Catching Fire - Grading and Discussion
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Interesting. I had no idea, but it makes perfect sense. I like the hint, that there is a part of our world that is not so different from the Capitol.
I think this is only true for the career tributes, mainly the ones from District 1. Most other tributes were a mess, e.g. Beetee and Wiress or the two drug addicts.Danny99 said:
That was in the book. Catniss talks about how she did it to screw with Catniss because she knew it would make her uncomfortable.
I saw a clip from an interview with Jenna Malone talking about that scene. Apparently they filmed it at a hotel with her really naked, and some random guy walked up as the doors opened and he got quite a surprise.
I just loved how Haymitch and Peeta were enjoying the show, Haymitch even tipping his flask at her, and Katniss was just looking at her like "Da fuq, girl?!"
That was rather amusing. Jena said she eventually became less comfortable having to do multiple takes of the elevator scene, because it was in a real hotel, and would have preferred to have a crew member be available with a robe or something.
I'm not sure if that's totally accurate, but I'm also unsure how much of the Careers' relationship with the Capitol might be expanded in the novels. It is true that they're trained to volunteer and also win, because winning gets extra benefits for their districts. Some are probably psychopaths or of dubious morality, but not all of them.
Jena said she eventually became less comfortable having to do multiple takes of the elevator scene, because it was in a real hotel, and would have preferred to have a crew member be available with a robe or something.And the rich district tributes were raised and trained to be complete psychopaths
I'm not sure if that's totally accurate, but I'm also unsure how much of the Careers' relationship with the Capitol might be expanded in the novels. It is true that they're trained to volunteer and also win, because winning gets extra benefits for their districts. Some are probably psychopaths or of dubious morality, but not all of them.
The other victors are putting on a facade. The book makes it clear that they are all deeply affected by their experiences. Even the Careers.
Finnick in particular explains his feelings in the next book, as well as Johanna and to a lesser extent Enobarria. We also got more details from Haymitch in this book, and yet more in the next.
<<I'm not sure if that's totally accurate, but I'm also unsure how much of the Careers' relationship with the Capitol might be expanded in the novels. It is true that they're trained to volunteer and also win, because winning gets extra benefits for their districts. Some are probably psychopaths or of dubious morality, but not all of them. >>
I dunno, training and volunteering to kill other teenagers sounds pretty psychopathic to me.
BTW I just rewatched Hunger Games, and my god Jennifer Lawrence looks about five years younger in it! Which is odd since it only came out 1.5 years ago!
I dunno, training and volunteering to kill other teenagers sounds pretty psychopathic to me.
BTW I just rewatched Hunger Games, and my god Jennifer Lawrence looks about five years younger in it! Which is odd since it only came out 1.5 years ago!
<<I'm not sure if that's totally accurate, but I'm also unsure how much of the Careers' relationship with the Capitol might be expanded in the novels. It is true that they're trained to volunteer and also win, because winning gets extra benefits for their districts. Some are probably psychopaths or of dubious morality, but not all of them. >>
I dunno, training and volunteering to kill other teenagers sounds pretty psychopathic to me.
BTW I just rewatched Hunger Games, and my god Jennifer Lawrence looks about five years younger in it! Which is odd since it only came out 1.5 years ago!
It came out 1.5 years ago but it was probably filmed 2-2.5 years ago. She does look quite a bit younger in it but she's at that age where she's "growing fast" from teenager to young woman.
Great film. I enjoyed the first one a lot, but this really kicked it up a notch. It was more mature, better acted, and even better directed. I liked the quick cut style from The Hunger Games, but these long shots worked really well too. And Jena Malone!
Yes, because it's so easy to rebel all on your own in an oppressive dictatorship where you will be immediately killed and tortured if you disobey, or your family will be killed and tortured, or your entire district will be bombed and destroyed. That's why there haven't been any cruel, oppressive dictatorships throughout history - people always immediately rebel and bring it down.
I never said rebellion is easy. The choice between killing some innocent kids and the people trying to force me to kill them is easy enough though. Are my chances of survival in the Hunger Games really that much better than surviving an attack on the administration? And who wants to survive the Hunger Games anyway? All that means is I slaughtered a bunch victims like myself. Woohoo.
My daughter often asks the same thing when I comment about the inane premises of shows she likes. 
Do you even have eyes?
I do actually. Beautiful hazel green ones. And Jennifer Lawrence's performances always seem a little dull to me. There's no personality to them. I thought the same thing when I watched First Class. Also I don't find her all that attractive either. She's not ugly by any means, but she reminds me of that girl who was in Deep Impact.
Seriously. WTF?
He can do Katniss's makeup but that's about it. Also the guy who plays him has an even duller look on his face thoughout the movie than Jennifer Lawrence.
I took my daughter to see the Twilight films and even those were better than the Hunger Games and those movies are baaaaad.
God if Jennifer Lawrence and the chick from Twilight who's name I can't remember ever team up to make a movie it will the most boring piece of shit ever.
The elevator scene is not only in the book, it's a very popular scene, and the fandom would have been outraged if it hadn't been in the movie. 
In the book it also results in an interesting conversation/argument between Katniss and Peeta. (Haymitch's reactions were not in the book, though.)
They hinted at that in this movie as well, with the little girl (I think she was from District 2 or 1?) who told Katniss she would volunteer one day like she did. (That was one of the scenes that were not in the book; I think all those scenes were great - Snow and Plutarch, Snow's granddaughter.)
In the book it also results in an interesting conversation/argument between Katniss and Peeta. (Haymitch's reactions were not in the book, though.)There's also the drunken guy who was throwing up in training, and of course Haymitch. They didn't make it clear in the movie that Chaff (the black guy missing a hand, who kissed Katniss) is Haymitch's old drinking buddy. And then there's Annie, though they didn't outright say she's 'crazy' in the movie as they do in the book.
Well, you can't train people to be psychopaths. You either are, or you're not. What they're trained to do is think that they're doing it for the pride of their district (which Cato talked about in the first movie). Pretty much what soldiers are trained to do. Think of Spartans, or Klingons.And the rich district tributes were raised and trained to be complete psychopaths
They hinted at that in this movie as well, with the little girl (I think she was from District 2 or 1?) who told Katniss she would volunteer one day like she did. (That was one of the scenes that were not in the book; I think all those scenes were great - Snow and Plutarch, Snow's granddaughter.)
The elevator scene is not only in the book, it's a very popular scene, and the fandom would have been outraged if it hadn't been in the movie.
I'd lay down money Harrelson ad-libbed those.
I have to admit that I didn't care for the first movie. I only went to see Catching fire because my daughters wanted to (the older of whom is a big fan of the books). I came away very impressed and thought it far superior to the first movie (it also seemed to have fewer plot holes). All in all I felt it was a marked improvement.
I saw this and Thor TDW back to back. I thought CF was the far superior movie to Thor. I liked the special effects but Thor's plot seemed as convoluted as you can get. Perhaps CF just seemed like a great film in comparison but I didn't DISLIKE TDW. It was okay (and I thought it was better than The Wolverine) but a movie I'd classify as a DVD type movie (not worth the big money to see it in theaters).
I also discovered that if you try to discuss plot holes with an avid Hunger Games fan they might take it personally. Which as it turns out is only chum in the water for a mischievous brother and father who see such weakness as an invitation for further teasing. But I digress.
CF = 9/10
I saw this and Thor TDW back to back. I thought CF was the far superior movie to Thor. I liked the special effects but Thor's plot seemed as convoluted as you can get. Perhaps CF just seemed like a great film in comparison but I didn't DISLIKE TDW. It was okay (and I thought it was better than The Wolverine) but a movie I'd classify as a DVD type movie (not worth the big money to see it in theaters).
I also discovered that if you try to discuss plot holes with an avid Hunger Games fan they might take it personally. Which as it turns out is only chum in the water for a mischievous brother and father who see such weakness as an invitation for further teasing. But I digress.
CF = 9/10
Saw it last night, really enjoyed it. I thought that as well as being a much better movie in its own right than HG, it was also much more true to the spirit of the original work. I always felt that HG was gutted by trying to make it more preteen friendly (violence and horrific themes that are OK in text really doesn't translate to a 12A rated movie) and somehow CF felt more real and more visceral. I also much preferred Lawrence's performance this time; I especially liked her portrayal of Katniss' PTSD and desire for total detachment from the system that won't let her go.
Looking forward to the next one!
Looking forward to the next one!
I thought this movie was quite well done. That's two great movies I've seen in two weeks (About Time being the other one).
Indeed! I saw About Time three times, it just hit all the right buttons for me to enjoy enough to want to see it three times in three weeks.
As for Catching Fire, I read the books after seeing it and I'm surprised as how close the two movies are to the books they are based on. I think both movies and books are great.
I finally saw the film last night. I enjoyed it very much, even more than the first film.
I'm surprised to read that. The shots in the final film showed so little that the actress could have been wearing a swimsuit. I wonder whether they did not decide until editing how much nudity they wanted in the final cut, or whether they hoped the acting would be more convincing if the actress actually undressed, or what.
Finally got a chance to see this and I loved it. It was a great adaptation of the book. I thought they did a great job of capturing the feel of the book, and bringing to life some of it's best moment.
The only thing that I was kinda of frustated by was the lack of the set up for D13 still being around, in the book it was big deal but here it was just mentioned once in the beginning and then the reveal at the end.
I was kind of confused by one addition though, why was Havensbee encouraging Snow to torture and kill if he is one of the rebels? Was he just doing it to try to manipulate Katniss into being upset enough the join the uprising?
The only thing that I was kinda of frustated by was the lack of the set up for D13 still being around, in the book it was big deal but here it was just mentioned once in the beginning and then the reveal at the end.
I was kind of confused by one addition though, why was Havensbee encouraging Snow to torture and kill if he is one of the rebels? Was he just doing it to try to manipulate Katniss into being upset enough the join the uprising?
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