Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x07 - "Erigah"

[Elaise]

It's the weird thing about Discovery. They try to do things, but don't.

The whole premise initially seemed to be "You liked TOS right? So... NOSTALGIA!"... although they changed everything to make sure none of that pesky nostalgia got in.

Now it's "Fish out of water", except they went 800 years into the future and they have basically zero issue with it at all and immediately integrated in perfectly.

Well they wrote Burnham as the water, and all of the 32nd century are the fish.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

The practical tech in Star Trek has always seemed to be out of synch with the real world. I am rewatching Deep Space 9 and Voyager. There is an episode, "Statistical Probabilities", where the Institute's savants created many different kinds of analyses. Bashir is seen delivering padd after padd to Benjamin Sisko in his office. Then, and especially now, we have computer applications which can connect all of these analyses in a relationship matrix and have them available to an individual through a computer.

For this episode, if this was the real world, someone could take a picture of the library key and have that library key be identified by an application and then they would have access to links which would provide more information about the issuer of that key. We have this application on our cell phones and on our computers.

About San Francisco, I believe that one of the characters stated that the city had not changed much. We know that cadets did visit San Francisco on occasion.

 

[JoseNoodles]

I think the Sikarians were experts in their technology, and I'd question how useful Arturis really turned out to be beyond demonstrating that quantum slipstream was A Thing. Either way, didn't stop Voyager from trying to use the technology, even if the results were almost catastrophic.

Remember the Sikarian technology was acquired through underhand means, as the Sikarian government refused Janeway's formal request for a spatial trajector. When Torres and Seska tried activating the device they realized the technology only worked in tandem with the planet's mantle, and they almost destroyed the ship with an antineutrino bombardment. Who knows? Maybe they got a bum module from scammers.

 

[Fateor]

The practical tech in Star Trek has always seemed to be out of synch with the real world. I am rewatching Deep Space 9 and Voyager. There is an episode, "Statistical Probabilities", where the Institute's savants created many different kinds of analyses. Bashir is seen delivering padd after padd to Benjamin Sisko in his office. Then, and especially now, we have computer applications which can connect all of these analyses in a relationship matrix and have them available to an individual through a computer.

Pretty sure in that specific case it was a security issue.

 

[evilchumlee]

The chances they'd spend any amount time with the crew acting like my 85 year old mother trying to use a Smart Phone were pretty much nil.

I'm less concerned about the technology in general... the show actually did a pretty reasonable job of explaining that away quickly, with the programmable matter and all that. It seems like most of the technology has at least some base form of AI to essentially guide the user along, and i'm mostly fine with the crew having a base understanding of everything as it's all just more advanced versions of what they had anyway... warp is still warp, phasers are still phasers.

I wanted to see something a bit different in terms of the culture they found themselves in. The Federation, after all this time, is still... the same culture as it was in 2255. I get that they aren't going to do something like, super alien but I would at least expect some slightly different attitudes and what not. Do something like have the Post-Apocalyptic Federation be a bit more willing to play dirty and do shady things because they've had to, and have Burnham be the voice of the past Federation.

 

[BillJ]

... warp is still warp, phasers are still phasers.

I wouldn't want a pilot from the 1940's flying a modern airplane without lots of training. Same thing for a doctor from the 1940's, I don't want them treating patients now, without years of training.

I can't imagine how I would feel if someone told me a Viking from 800 years ago, who just arrived a couple of days ago, was coming in to treat my ailments.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wouldn't want a pilot from the 1940's flying a modern airplane without lots of training. Same thing for a doctor from the 1940's, I don't want them treating patients now, without years of training.

I can't imagine how I would feel if someone told me a Viking from 800 years ago, who just arrived a couple of days ago, was coming in to treat my ailments.

They have a pill for that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Swedalis.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I wouldn't want a pilot from the 1940's flying a modern airplane without lots of training. Same thing for a doctor from the 1940's, I don't want them treating patients now, without years of training.

I can't imagine how I would feel if someone told me a Viking from 800 years ago, who just arrived a couple of days ago, was coming in to treat my ailments.

I don't the the comparison is comparable. It's been shown multiple times in each series that Starfleet officer can utilise completely alien and often more advanced technology with little to no training. Also it was stated that the future tech on discovery came with interfaces that would assist in the transition.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

About flying, the basics have remained the same for over a century. The major change that has come is the transition from manual flying to computerized flying, where the plane is essentially flying itself. For the commercial planes, between take-off and landing, they are controlled by autopilot. The pilots are there as a contingency and as a human face to the process of flight. The danger is in over-reliance on the technology and not knowing or understanding about all the technology there is aboard the plane. (Boeing 737-Max crashes occurred for several reasons, including the pilots being kept in the dark by Boeing about a software that could alter the performance of the jet while in flight.)

I agree that I wouldn't want a medieval physician to treat me. Their knowledge of the human body was extremely inaccurate. (BTW, Vikings weren't around in the 1200s. The era of the Vikings is generally accepted as ending in 1066.)

 

[Quantum21]

I wouldn't want a pilot from the 1940's flying a modern airplane without lots of training. Same thing for a doctor from the 1940's, I don't want them treating patients now, without years of training.

I can't imagine how I would feel if someone told me a Viking from 800 years ago, who just arrived a couple of days ago, was coming in to treat my ailments.

Not only did they have training, mentioned in the dialogue but they also said much was kept the same externally so the crew could acclimate. Not much of a learning curve needed.

A crew that is trained for an experimental ship, the best of the best has an aptitude for picking up new things, that's their mission.

They've already belonged to a culture with ever-expanding technological pace, much more than the Vikings to now for example, so they're better prepared than we would be. It's a question of scaling expectations and acceptance as well as training.

 

[Phoenix219]

I won't mince words here, when Lorca turned out to be a Mirror Universe refugee it was THE single most disappointing emotion I've ever felt about DSC and rivals the most disappointed I've felt in anything about modern streaming Trek. He was one of the most potentially layered, interesting characters in the modern history of the franchise and the MU twist just sapped most of that away.

Completely agree. Even then, they could have made him deep, explored the idea that from the MU, he WAS "good", and that was still dark and tortured by normal standards, and given Michael a real choice, choosing between someone that looks like her former Captain, and a guy who lied but had good intentions. In my version of the story, Michael helps him take power to "institute Federation style reforms." Evil Georgiou, while fleeing, somehow gets stuck along for the ride back to the PU, and the last shot of Lorca in the MU is a possibly sinister smile, and him revealing the Tantalus device, with no context for what his intentions are.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Erigah" is the sound I make trying to open a jar of pickles.

 

[Phoenix219]

Genesis killed the person who activated it...twice.

I wouldn't call that "working." Much less perfectly.

Genesis as a device is best left alone in the warehouse with transwarp beaming, curing old age, beaming a person in to their past selves, going Warp 13, meeting Lucifer, the ability to breath underwater, mind transference.

But.... what if I want the adventures of the WAREHOUSE?

 

[Kzinti]

not much to say about this one other than more breen lore/interaction is never a bad thing and i like the design of the dreadnought so 8/10

 

[JLA]

I remember being in the hospital after surgery and given a machine hooked to my IV with morphine for the pain. When you felt pain you pressed the button for a dose. It didn't matter how many times the button was pressed for a dose, it would only give one dose per unit time and lock out and not dispense any medication to allow the patient to overdose. Maybe the Federation should see about using some 21st century medical tech.

Yes, this occurred to me too.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

This season has had more good episodes than the first two seasons combined. Lots of tension in this one. Lots of insight into Breen culture. Gave it another 9.