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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"

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But the progenitors didn't make a simulation. If that were true that makes all of Star Trek a simulation and that's not what the show is

Thats exactly what I'm saying. This storyline proved the entire Star Trek Universe is simulation theory, IMO. Which is what I said in my previous post, when I said my contraversial opinion .....
 
My contraversial take is that the Star Trek universe is an example of what we are calling simulation theory in real life. Michael found the create your character design engine. Fought on the level select screen. Totally explains things like visual retcons and the endless amounts of godlike ascended entities existing outside of the simulation. I'm guessing the holodecks and replicators are accidentally mimicking or using some of the simulations code themselves.
I’m a firm believer in this theory IRL. The Matrix was more than just a movie, IMO. This theory literally explains everything.

The real questions are, who built it and why?
 
If it’s doing its job correctly, you shouldn’t be able to. However, there are repeatable patterns. I’ve noticed, for example, that when traveling somewhere that I’ve never been before, or haven’t been in a long time, I’m often “delayed” by something. Bad traffic or an improbable number of red lights. I take this as buying time for the simulation to “load” the destination. More common locations are “cached” and don’t require loading.

I only have anecdotal evidence, sadly.

I remember traveling home from Alexandria to Leesburg in Virginia many years ago. It was about 2am and there was nobody on the road. I hit literally every damn stoplight westbound up route 7, through Falls Church, Tysons Corner, Sterling, all of them. All those lights are green at that time of night, unless someone approaches the intersection to turn it. I encountered not a single soul, yet every light stopped me. I made sure to go the speed limit the entire way, as I knew there were also some speed trap lights that trigger when you approach too fast. None of that. Took me about 15 to 20 minutes longer than it should have. That was my first inkling that there was something very off.

More recently, I was at work walking down a hallway. Lots of people there, but I noticed one guy in particular heading my way, but then making a left turn at a “T” intersection in the corridor. I get to that part of the hallway, look down the direction that guy turned and - not kidding - he was no longer there. I was instantly reminded about video game NPC “clipping”, where random characters in open-world games like GTA or Saints Row, where “atmospheric” NPC’s, who have no bearing on the game and are simply there for “atmosphere” to populate the world with random people, are removed and “unloaded” from memory when they go out of view. You turn a corner with your avatar and they’re gone. Same thing with random cars.

I started telling my daughter about these things and she claims to have started seeing oddities as well. Once you start seeing the patterns, you can’t really unsee them.

There was a research professor, I think at UMD, who claims to have found actual “code” in the fabric of the universe. Can’t remember his name, I’ll have to look him up. And, of course, Elon and a number of other prominent rich folks are big proponents of sim theory. It’s not as controversial as you may think these days.

But yeah, unless there’s a really big glitch that everyone sees, proving the Matrix exists is pretty much like proving God exists. It really can’t be done at our level of perception, but we can see echoes of something there.
 
If it’s doing its job correctly, you shouldn’t be able to. However, there are repeatable patterns. I’ve noticed, for example, that when traveling somewhere that I’ve never been before, or haven’t been in a long time, I’m often “delayed” by something. Bad traffic or an improbable number of red lights. I take this as buying time for the simulation to “load” the destination. More common locations are “cached” and don’t require loading.

I only have anecdotal evidence, sadly.

I remember traveling home from Alexandria to Leesburg in Virginia many years ago. It was about 2am and there was nobody on the road. I hit literally every damn stoplight westbound up route 7, through Falls Church, Tysons Corner, Sterling, all of them. All those lights are green at that time of night, unless someone approaches the intersection to turn it. I encountered not a single soul, yet every light stopped me. I made sure to go the speed limit the entire way, as I knew there were also some speed trap lights that trigger when you approach too fast. None of that. Took me about 15 to 20 minutes longer than it should have. That was my first inkling that there was something very off.

More recently, I was at work walking down a hallway. Lots of people there, but I noticed one guy in particular heading my way, but then making a left turn at a “T” intersection in the corridor. I get to that part of the hallway, look down the direction that guy turned and - not kidding - he was no longer there. I was instantly reminded about video game NPC “clipping”, where random characters in open-world games like GTA or Saints Row, where “atmospheric” NPC’s, who have no bearing on the game and are simply there for “atmosphere” to populate the world with random people, are removed and “unloaded” from memory when they go out of view. You turn a corner with your avatar and they’re gone. Same thing with random cars.

I started telling my daughter about these things and she claims to have started seeing oddities as well. Once you start seeing the patterns, you can’t really unsee them.

There was a research professor, I think at UMD, who claims to have found actual “code” in the fabric of the universe. Can’t remember his name, I’ll have to look him up. And, of course, Elon and a number of other prominent rich folks are big proponents of sim theory. It’s not as controversial as you may think these days.

But yeah, unless there’s a really big glitch that everyone sees, proving the Matrix exists is pretty much like proving God exists. It really can’t be done at our level of perception, but we can see echoes of something there.




Well in terms of Star Trek wouldn't that make the Progenitors god to almost everyone?
 
Update: it wasn’t UMD, it was MIT - a theoretical physicist named James Gates found code in string theory. It was so ground breaking it threw Neil Degrasse Tyson for a loop. Article here. It’s apparently a theory that’s been around for a long time, but it’s been gaining steam.
 
If it’s doing its job correctly, you shouldn’t be able to. However, there are repeatable patterns. I’ve noticed, for example, that when traveling somewhere that I’ve never been before, or haven’t been in a long time, I’m often “delayed” by something. Bad traffic or an improbable number of red lights. I take this as buying time for the simulation to “load” the destination. More common locations are “cached” and don’t require loading.

I only have anecdotal evidence, sadly.

I remember traveling home from Alexandria to Leesburg in Virginia many years ago. It was about 2am and there was nobody on the road. I hit literally every damn stoplight westbound up route 7, through Falls Church, Tysons Corner, Sterling, all of them. All those lights are green at that time of night, unless someone approaches the intersection to turn it. I encountered not a single soul, yet every light stopped me. I made sure to go the speed limit the entire way, as I knew there were also some speed trap lights that trigger when you approach too fast. None of that. Took me about 15 to 20 minutes longer than it should have. That was my first inkling that there was something very off.

More recently, I was at work walking down a hallway. Lots of people there, but I noticed one guy in particular heading my way, but then making a left turn at a “T” intersection in the corridor. I get to that part of the hallway, look down the direction that guy turned and - not kidding - he was no longer there. I was instantly reminded about video game NPC “clipping”, where random characters in open-world games like GTA or Saints Row, where “atmospheric” NPC’s, who have no bearing on the game and are simply there for “atmosphere” to populate the world with random people, are removed and “unloaded” from memory when they go out of view. You turn a corner with your avatar and they’re gone. Same thing with random cars.

I started telling my daughter about these things and she claims to have started seeing oddities as well. Once you start seeing the patterns, you can’t really unsee them.

There was a research professor, I think at UMD, who claims to have found actual “code” in the fabric of the universe. Can’t remember his name, I’ll have to look him up. And, of course, Elon and a number of other prominent rich folks are big proponents of sim theory. It’s not as controversial as you may think these days.

But yeah, unless there’s a really big glitch that everyone sees, proving the Matrix exists is pretty much like proving God exists. It really can’t be done at our level of perception, but we can see echoes of something there.

Futurama did an episode on it last year as well, with some supposed proofs.

I'm not sure that I really believe it would be possible, but when engaging arguments with Mandela Effect proponents, its my go-to - while they are going on about timelines, universes, quantum death and immortality, and whatever else, i'm going... simulation theory, change a variable in one place, and it changes the expression throughout the whole simulation, without effecting other things 3rd party newspaper articles that are referencing what the variable was, but not directly connected enough to change with it. I stilll think that memory and pop-culture-consciousness are better explanations, but there are a few examples that REALLY get me still.
 
IIRC, the Progenitors simply took this existing tech they found and repurposed it. So they were caught in the Matrix as well. Just older than the other races we were familiar with in the Trekverse. Not gods, just very old.

Yes but according to the episodes The Chase and what we learn now they created all humanoid life in the milky way galaxy
 
IIRC, the Progenitors simply took this existing tech they found and repurposed it. So they were caught in the Matrix as well. Just older than the other races we were familiar with in the Trekverse. Not gods, just very old.

yup - they found the same create-your-character engine, and used it to make more like themselves. who knows what came before, or what all of the options or types of life it could create actually are.
 
I think there is similar code in DNA that people have used to attempt to validate God.

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Yes, just like you can use “red stone” circuits and switches in Minecraft to simulate a computer inside a computer. Just orders of magnitude more complex. :)

which is why i wonder if some of the weird holodeck issues like creating conscious life, has to do with it tapping into some of the same stuff as the rest of the universe.
 
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