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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x13 - "Coming Home"

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I have a question about a minor detail that's unrelated to my assessment of the episode, but it bothers me whether I got that wrong previously. So could someone put my mind at ease?

I thought that Tarka wanted to join Oros - "his" Oros, Prime Oros, hoping he'd managed to escape to ParadiseAU.

Now, when Book tried to convince him to stand down, he said something like "It won't be him, you know that" (much like ParadiseBookFamily wouldn't he Books "real" - Prime - family). Which would be implying that Tarka wants to go to the AU to find ParadiseAU Oros, not Prime Oros. Did anyone notice that?
 
I have a question about a minor detail that's unrelated to my assessment of the episode, but it bothers me whether I got that wrong previously. So could someone put my mind at ease?

I thought that Tarka wanted to join Oros - "his" Oros, Prime Oros, hoping he'd managed to escape to ParadiseAU.

Now, when Book tried to convince him to stand down, he said something like "It won't be him, you know that" (much like ParadiseBookFamily wouldn't he Books "real" - Prime - family). Which would be implying that Tarka wants to go to the AU to find ParadiseAU Oros, not Prime Oros. Did anyone notice that?

I never was really sold on Oros's story to begin with. It sounded like a religious belief of his people, not a place he had any proof existed.
 
I predicted the end, which means it got a little boring. I am glad they didn’t kill off Book, since I am tired of angsty Michael. I also enjoyed Saru and T’Rina.
 
This could have been a good 6 episode season. There didn't need to be a big mystery set up for an unknown, new species. 10 minutes of patting themselves on the back at the end of the episode. Yeah, I saw this last season. "Family, you have family, you're family, it's about family". Put the 'Fast and the Furious' boxset down.
 
I think this was a pretty good finale that could have been that much better if there was one added scene at the end - Tarka awakening. Somewhere, anywhere, and he can be dead as a doorknob, but whether it's Species 10-C doing it or something else, some hint that something happened beyond him exploding.

There's a slim chance for it, but maybe we'll get more on Oros next year. Discovery tends to reset the board more than that, but it's not impossible.

That said, I can see the counterpoint - that Book convinced Tarka to let go of falsehood, so the whole idea here is that Tarka was never going to reach Oros, thus putting Tarka someplace false with an approximation therein would diminish Book's truth-talk.

But there's something about the way Tarka's last few seconds onscreen were shot that threw me for a ringer, and Olatunde "Tunde" Osusanmi is a hell of a director so I tend to pay attention more to anything that feels off when he's in charge. Namely, we watch Tarka pull up a holo with a glint of hope, then dismiss it with a despairing handwave, then start walking to (our) right, but there's no closure to the camerawork; it stops on the freneticism, abruptly shifting back to another perspective in a way that even Discovery's go-go-go cinematography seldom does.

It really felt to me like there was going to be a bit more there!
 
LOVED IT! Loved it! Loved it! They stuck the landing! Which is something I have not said about any prior Disco season!

It is interesting to read all the comments critiquing a lack of consequences. Last week, I was someone posting "Book better die or be off the show for this to work!", but as I watched this finale, I realized I no longer held that view. That's not what this show is.

All these seasons, I've just really been wanting Discovery to find it's own identity, find a clear vision of what it wants to be, and this season it finally has. Some aspects of this identity are ridiculous, but the same has been true of every Trek series (and affectionately mocking the specific ridiculousness of each is part of the fun).

But Discovery has arrived at being a show that is all about feeling and affirmation and self-care and positivity and love and found family.

So it can't also be the show that lands it's season arc with lots of death and punishment. If it did, we would just be back to Disco being a schizophrenic show that's always undercutting itself with it's many contradictory ideas.

When Book's transporter beam first blinked out, I thought "that is too mean for this show." Book being rematerialized -- that fits with the clear vision Disco has created for itself this year, and I am here for it!

A couple of nitpicks/thoughts:
I was disappointed that there were no real consequences. No one died, except for the villain, who they probably didn't need to kill off anyway. I was really hoping Detmer would have been the one to make the sacrifice, because it would have paid off the earlier plot point of Michael being "unfit" for command because she couldn't make the hard choice.
She finally does make the hard choice, and it's immediately undercut by the General taking Detmer's place... and in the end, nothing happens anyway. They didn't even want to kill off Booker, so it's like she beat the Kobayashi Maru without learning anything.

That said, my god, can't we actually have some fucking consequences here??? Everyone pretty much gets off the hook for everything. The episode teases on multiple occasions Book's death, but ultimately he survives. Then it drops that he's arrested, and he's left off with "community service." Reno gets off (which I expected). They say someone needs to be sacrificed to stop Tarka, and for 10 seconds it seems like Detmer is going to do it, then Ndoye volunteers to rectify her mistakes - and survives anyway. Stamets says they have to destroy the Spore Drive and it will take decades to get home, and then 10-C decides to send them to Earth anyway. Ultimately the only losses were Tarka and...Book's ship?!? I don't need to have a body count for season finales, but decisions should have consequences, and this is a consequence free finale, where everyone is happy at the end and goes off on vacation, as if the writers were concerned we would be traumatized if there was the slightest bit of bittersweet here.

If anyone was to be killed off, I think the "right" one would have been Ndoye. She's peripheral enough that her death would not specifically shatter one of our regular heroes, and she fucked up soooooo severely that it makes sense she is compelled to sacrifice herself as penance, and we know and like her enough that her death would have meaning. I did think they missed their window for "consequences" with her.

But then it was so lovely to see her moment with President Stacey Abrams that I was even relieved Ndoye survived! :bolian:
 
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Watching this ep, I was reminded of everytime I've seen the fans of "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2" enthuse about why they loved it. And I always thought "Man, I wish I could see you guys see! I wish I could get on board with the sensation and the emotion and the bigness!" But since the plot makes no goddamn sense, I can never get on board, I hate that finale.

Or with "That Hope Is You, Part 2", I was unsatisfied not because Owo escaped a suicide mission unscathed, but because the logic of how she escaped made no fucking sense.

In "Coming Home", it all clicked together perfectly. They escaped severe consequences, but for reasons that were well set-up and made sense within the story.

I love the soothing fantasy and uplift of everyone getting out alive, I just wanted it to make SOME sense! And in "Coming Home" it finally did!

And along the way "Coming Home" offered a lot of big wild season finale sensation (the spore cube exploding!), but it was justified. It had so much more weight than the empty screaming of "Such Sweet Sorrow" and was consequently so satisfying.
 
LOVED IT! Loved it! Loved it! They stuck the landing! Which is something I have not said about any prior Disco season!

It is interesting to read all the comments critiquing a lack of consequences. Last week, I was someone posting "Book better die or be off the show for this to work!", but as I watched this finale, I realized I no longer held that view. That's not what this show is.

All these seasons, I've just really been wanting Discovery to find it's own identity, find a clear vision of what it wants to be, and this season it finally has. Some aspects of this identity are ridiculous, but the same has been true of every Trek series (and affectionately mocking the specific ridiculousness of each is part of the fun).

But Discovery has arrived at being a show that is all about feeling and affirmation and self-care and positivity and love and found family.

So it can't also be the show that lands it's season arc with lots of death and punishment. If it did, we would just be back to Disco being a schizophrenic show that's always undercutting itself with it's many contradictory ideas.

My issue with this is pretty simple - in the very first episode, Rillak challenges Michael by saying that she needs to learn how to deal with sacrifices as a captain before being able to assume command of the Voyager-J. The writers smartly harken back to that discussion in the finale. Only...Michael didn't learn that lesson. She was willing to risk the loss of Book, but ultimately, he wasn't lost.

I also think if Book sacrificed himself for the right reasons here it would have helped his arc reach closure, considering he was suicidal and wishing for death in Episode 2. He could go onward to death unafraid, but realizing there are times where you throw your life away, and there are times where you are compelled to give your life in the service of others.
 
Which is the lesson. Her willingness.

In fiction, choices need permanent consequences to be meaningful. It doesn't have to be death, it can be a sundered relationship, losing a job, any number of things. But the character arcs that stick with us the most are not the ones where the main character gets to "have it all" at the end, which is pretty damn close to what we got here (since Book's community service could be finished by next season for all we know).
 
In fiction, choices need permanent consequences to be meaningful. It doesn't have to be death, it can be a sundered relationship, losing a job, any number of things. But the character arcs that stick with us the most are not the ones where the main character gets to "have it all" at the end, which is pretty damn close to what we got here (since Book's community service could be finished by next season for all we know).
Hard disagree.
 
Heroes journey dude. Frodo returning to the shire was bittersweet. Luke at the end of ROTJ was bittersweet. You should come out of an epic serialized story a changed person who realizes that you really cannot go home again.
Doesn't change how I feel about it. And Star Trek has enough examples for me to enjoy the characters and their arcs.

Frodo wasn't enjoyable. Luke is good. Heroes journey is fine and all but it isn't always the most satisfying for me.

Mileage will vary.
 
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My issue with this is pretty simple - in the very first episode, Rillak challenges Michael by saying that she needs to learn how to deal with sacrifices as a captain before being able to assume command of the Voyager-J. The writers smartly harken back to that discussion in the finale. Only...Michael didn't learn that lesson. She was willing to risk the loss of Book, but ultimately, he wasn't lost.

For me, the pay-off for this was in the moment where she orders Detmer on the suicide mission. It's so fast, she's taking just enough time to realize there's no other option. Burnham has not been willing to do that before, she always insists on doing the almost-certain-death stuff personally.

I understand YMMV, but for me it's not a cop-out no one ultimately dies because all the other pieces have been set up so well. Ndoye makes sense as a volunteer replacement for the mission. And the 32nd Century has the technology to save people in this way, we've seen it used other times. They just can't assume success, we've also seen it fail.

I also think if Book sacrificed himself for the right reasons here it would have helped his arc reach closure, considering he was suicidal and wishing for death in Episode 2. He could go onward to death unafraid, but realizing there are times where you throw your life away, and there are times where you are compelled to give your life in the service of others.

I'm surprised to be having this reaction, but it really is feeling essential to me now that Book lived. The major emotional throughline of the season has been about healing. I do think it would have been a bad choice for a story about healing to end with another devastating loss. At the start of the season I wondered if the destruction of Kwejian was too big and brutal, but now seeing the shape of the whole season, I think it works, as the beginning. I don't want more of that feeling at the end, then we haven't gone anywhere.
 
For me, the pay-off for this was in the moment where she orders Detmer on the suicide mission. It's so fast, she's taking just enough time to realize there's no other option. Burnham has not been willing to do that before, she always insists on doing the almost-certain-death stuff personally.

I do have to say I was pleasantly surprised at that moment she chose to delegate, because I had presumed she would insist on doing the mission herself. She certainly would have at the beginning of Season 2, and she did the same thing as recently as Rubicon.
 
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