I don't think he's going be more reckless, I just think he's going to just enjoy life as long as he can.
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I don't think he's going be more reckless, I just think he's going to just enjoy life as long as he can.
The trailer implies he is. Well maybe reckless is the wrong terminology. Perhaps less risk adverse.
Una "Unauthorized trips into non Federation space. Someone is playing fast and lose with the rules today."
Pike" Who me, the boy scout?"
I think that's just a cute scene. Sometimes, a cigar is a cigar.
It's not clear from that clip in just what detail Pike does confide his vision to Spock. One thing that Spock might logically be expected to bring up, which would be foreshadowing in this case, is that Pike did not necessarily see how his life would end - just how he would spend a later part of it for some period of time.
What I've liked all along about that vision of Pike's is what it tells us about him: that the day he ran into that radiation area to rescue people, he knew without a doubt what would happen to him, and he went in anyway.
It's not clear from that clip in just what detail Pike does confide his vision to Spock. One thing that Spock might logically be expected to bring up, which would be foreshadowing in this case, is that Pike did not necessarily see how his life would end - just how he would spend a later part of it for some period of time.
What I've liked all along about that vision of Pike's is what it tells us about him: that the day he ran into that radiation area to rescue people, he knew without a doubt what would happen to him, and he went in anyway.
Your opinion shows a misunderstanding of who Pike is and of the plot point itself. The issue isn't that the accident is a fixed point in time. Pike can choose to run from it if he wants to and Tenavik gave him the choice to do so. But that is fundamentally not who Pike is. Pike's fate becomes fixed because he is willing to give his life in service others. If pike gives up Starfleet, that means some other training officer and a bunch of cadets will die in his place. Pike being who he is, could never live with that.
Pike is quite frankly, someone we should all aspire to be. Imagine a world where everyone had the ethical and moral values of Christopher Pike.
There's nothing "technical" about it - all of this is open for exploration.
I hope he is taking sensible steps to avoid his fate, like ensuring that baffle plates all over the fleet have been redesigned and reinforced. Not that it's ultimately going to help him.
Well, knowing what he knows, he'd be doing that for the sake of all the people serving on the ships, right?
Mendez said that the ship in question was an "old, J-class ship," if I recall correctly; the emphasis on its age suggests that the disaster was a result of the ship not being up to snuff - presumably including baffle plates.
Yes, that's the point. A prequel is to shed light on things going forward rather than coloring inside the lines of assumptions.
I have to admit that I didn't think through the implications that his resignation probably would result in this.
Having the death penalty connected to visiting Talos 4 is something like "women not being able to Captain Starships". Best left forgotten and unmentioned.
One makes more sense than the other.
The scene in the trailer might not even flow the same way in the episode. Could even be taken from different scenes.
The very first trailer I didn't like. Only because (obviously) Pike "knowing" about his fate is such a big part of this trailer (and also the show). I don't like it for 2 mail reasons:
- I don't like "fate" on my Star Trek, especially not "knowing your fate". That shit works great on mythology & fantasy. But please keep it out of my sci-fi (if it ain't science fantasy)
- I hate it when critical character stuff from one show happens in another. I wish this show would work as a "fresh start" for newcomers
Regarding the "death penalty":
The Talosians whole schtick is "illusions". Specifically - "illusions that keep you away from their planet". Weather it's masking their planet as a black hole, or having a fake admiral on the Enterprise!
It just makes sense that the whole "last remaining death penalty paragraph" is just another illusion by the Talosians, given to everybody they know who remotely knows anything about them.
The Talosians whole schtick is "illusions". Specifically - "illusions that keep you away from their planet". Weather it's masking their planet as a black hole, or having a fake admiral on the Enterprise!
It just makes sense that the whole "last remaining death penalty paragraph" is just another illusion by the Talosians, given to everybody they know who remotely knows anything about them.
Star Trek is more fantasy now.
The Temporal Wars started because of Pike trying to avert his fate. He is actually Future Guy (don't ask the logistics you'll just give yourself a headache). This did not become clear to the Federation until the 31st century. He's responsible for the ultimate ban on time travel and ironically ending any chance of his Disco friends ever returning home.
Breaking this news to the crew of the USS Discovery was one of the hardest things Admiral Vance had to do.
Breaking this news to the crew of the USS Discovery was one of the hardest things Admiral Vance had to do.
always.
It might be that, but it would be a heavy lift for the Talosians to accomplish.
It really isn't. It's not realistic. But fantasy is a very different genre.
"The walking dead" isn't realistic. "Justice League" isn't. But neither of them is "fantasy".
Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones are fantasy. And more realistic ones at that. (Harry Potter is a good, Star Trek-like "unrealistic" fantasy world).
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