Pike Character Teaser
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So, he accepted it and pushed threw for Disco S2 but had time to think about it latter and be scared about it.
Hope they resolve it early in the season.
Hope they resolve it early in the season.
Was that Pike's idea? Something from DISCO? Because I don't recall that being the case in the Menagerie.
Because what Tenavik said in Discovery Season 2, if he touches the crystal, whatever he sees would become destined to happen. He can't change it.
Who said it was? Pike is a man of duty. He will not stop protecting the Federation for personal gain.
Where is it said that Pike recommended the death penalty?
In "The Menagerie," Commodore Mendez specifically says that "Only Fleet Command knows why" the death penalty is in force for visiting Talos IV. (Pike's not an admiral, so it's pretty safe to say that he's not part of "Fleet Command.") The file Mendez unlocks doesn't explain it. The first page of the report says that Pike and Spock recommend only that no human visit the planet again [https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x11hd/themenageriepart1hd178.jpg].
I believe "The Menagerie" also doesn't say when the death penalty came into effect. It was never established that the death penalty went into force immediately after Pike's first visit to the planet.* It could have easily been after the events in DISCO S2.
* - Was it implied? Maybe.
The death penalty may be after Michal and spock visited or something forth coming in SNW that spooked command.
Do hope they show Vina and have her comfort him.
Do hope they show Vina and have her comfort him.
The K.M. test was founded way before Pike's knowing his fate.
What if there never was a wealth penalty for visiting the planet? And it was just the Talosians who projected that into the books as an illusion to keep people away?
I imagine Spock's experiences with Pike would lead him to do it regardless of what Pike said. It was discussed, dismissed by Pike, but Spock continued on. "Please, Captain, it was logical."
I mean the only thing Pike knows for sure is that he was in Starfleet in his accident vision. All he has to do is resign from Starfleet to avert it. That's it. That's only a no win situation if you feel Starfleet is the end all of everything in life.
As for what Tenavik said, no one in that time period trusts Klingons. And even if they did, what, Discovery's fate is already 900 years in the future. Is Control evil AI magically going to reactivate and Discovery blow up upon arrival in the 32nd century all because Pike resigned from Starfleet? How does that even make sense?
Yeah, such a discussion would fill such plot holes as described.
And as for how Pike learned this (incomplete) vision of his future...time crystals on a Klingon-held planet? Someone in the Federation government structure would consider that a casus belli worth acting upon. If you were of a mind to prevent or slow down further Federation-Klingon wars having just lived through one, would you want word of Boreth's monasteries getting back to Earth?
And as for how Pike learned this (incomplete) vision of his future...time crystals on a Klingon-held planet? Someone in the Federation government structure would consider that a casus belli worth acting upon. If you were of a mind to prevent or slow down further Federation-Klingon wars having just lived through one, would you want word of Boreth's monasteries getting back to Earth?
Honestly after Revenge of the Sith at that other Star franchise, I consider everything short of wiping out your organization (what Anakin ultimately did, which was wrong) to be fair game in averting disasters.
That misses the point beyond all logic of the story. The point is that Pike will end up at this future because of his values, regardless of what happens with Control. It isn't that he feels that "Starfleet is the end of all;" but that he feels called to and committed to the mission of Starfleet whatever that might bring.
Not mentioning something doesn’t mean it was retconned away. Plus as others have said, we don’t know when it was implemented.
I'm thrilled Pike's thinking of his vision. I want reverse Final Destination, where Pike, aware of his fate, becomes more and more reckless (knowing he cannot die) leading to his being grounded as an academy instructor... which directly leads to his accident.
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