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^But on the other hand, since Daleks insist on absolute uniformity and hate any variation, wouldn't that make all Daleks pretty much equal? I wouldn't be surprised if they had an entirely democratic system -- one in which every voter always agreed on everything, because they all think exactly the same.

In other words, the Soviet Union.
 
On the third hand, they're not computers that always come up with the logical option. They're living beings filled with hate and rage. They won't be doing the same logical choice all the time.

I never said a thing about logic. Logical thought allows for alternative possibilities. Dalek thought is fanatical, and fanatical minds are extremely narrow and rigid. And since Daleks kill off anyone who doesn't conform exactly, they'd end up being a whole bunch of fanatical rage maniacs who pretty uniformly agree about how to act out their rage -- basically a permanent floating lynch mob. When the single overriding thought in every Dalek's mind is "EXTERMINATE EVERYONE EXCEPT US," there's not going to be a lot to disagree about.
 
On the third hand, they're not computers that always come up with the logical option. They're living beings filled with hate and rage. They won't be doing the same logical choice all the time.

I never said a thing about logic. Logical thought allows for alternative possibilities. Dalek thought is fanatical, and fanatical minds are extremely narrow and rigid. And since Daleks kill off anyone who doesn't conform exactly, they'd end up being a whole bunch of fanatical rage maniacs who pretty uniformly agree about how to act out their rage -- basically a permanent floating lynch mob. When the single overriding thought in every Dalek's mind is "EXTERMINATE EVERYONE EXCEPT US," there's not going to be a lot to disagree about.

I see what you're saying. I just think that minds with fanatical rage are less predictable. And, if they're less predictable, they're less likely to be consistent with each other because that's a form of predictability.

My sense is all that rage needs a firm ruler to keep it all under control or else it'll spin out of control and into anarchy.

But, I'll be the first to agree that the portrayal of the Daleks has changed greatly during it's run (see Destiny and the Daleks for example with its focus on logic).

So, maybe the parliament is supposed to be the next stage in their evolution, but it didn't sit right with me.

Mr Awe
 
Yeah, "Destiny" was weird. Up to then, Nation had always painted the Daleks as driven by hate and paranoia, not cold logic.
 
I chalk that up to being buried in "Genesis" with a lot of time on their tentacles, and improving computers. It dulled them a bit.

On a side note-- "Day of the Daleks"

Nicholas Briggs did a good job redubbing the voices--but in some ways, I liked the softer tone to the Dalek voices. They had everything their way in that alternate timeline. It makes more sense for their tones to get harsher and more insane over time.
 
Just checked the series 7 DVD - the Dalek PM's voice is higher pitched, but it might be intended to be him, as the actual line fits more in keeping with his chat about Dalek concepts of Beauty in Asylum...

The Dalek Prime Minister is such a boring choice. Although, maybe they could explain just how a Dalek Parliament works, as I don't picture Daleks giving democracy a chance and engaging dissenting opinions in thoughtful discussion.

I think it's just a word being used slightly out of context. Rooks and Owls have parliaments but you don't see them with rosettes on...
 
Just checked the series 7 DVD - the Dalek PM's voice is higher pitched, but it might be intended to be him, as the actual line fits more in keeping with his chat about Dalek concepts of Beauty in Asylum...

The Dalek Prime Minister is such a boring choice. Although, maybe they could explain just how a Dalek Parliament works, as I don't picture Daleks giving democracy a chance and engaging dissenting opinions in thoughtful discussion.

I think it's just a word being used slightly out of context. Rooks and Owls have parliaments but you don't see them with rosettes on...

But do rooks and owls also have Prime Ministers?
 
The Dalek Prime Minister is such a boring choice. Although, maybe they could explain just how a Dalek Parliament works, as I don't picture Daleks giving democracy a chance and engaging dissenting opinions in thoughtful discussion.

I think it's just a word being used slightly out of context. Rooks and Owls have parliaments but you don't see them with rosettes on...

But do rooks and owls also have Prime Ministers?

Curse your Vulcan logic...

:shifty:
 
Yeah, "Destiny" was weird. Up to then, Nation had always painted the Daleks as driven by hate and paranoia, not cold logic.

Doesn't seem like that much of a contradiction. They're hateful and paranoid in their reaction to other species. Then go on to enslave or exterminate them in a cold, logical manner.
 
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They just weren't presented as logical computers at all before Destiny. Remember, they've got a biological mutant at their core!

Mr Awe
 
Back on topic. I'm wondering if shooting on the season is finished? Location filming for the finale was a couple weeks ago now; I'm guessing that typically for this sort of show they'll do location first and then studio, so if they're not done then they'll be soon.

I'm curious as to when they'll have wrapped on the season at this point. Peter Capaldi will start a road trip to promote the show in early August, and I'm sure SOMEONE currently active on the show will be at Comic-Con in San Diego this month, right?

Mark
 
You're right:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/04/doctor-who-cardiff-premiere

I suppose that they'd rather put their funds into flying around for the world tour instead of a one-off in San Diego, especially given that they'll be stopping once in New York already.

In any case, if location shooting for the finale is done, I guess WE'RE done seeing any Capaldi & Coleman out and about in costume for a few months at least. Unless Peter does some of his world tour in costume, and it certainly seems like he's the type to do so...

Mark
 
They just weren't presented as logical computers at all before Destiny. Remember, they've got a biological mutant at their core!

Right. Their whole deal is that they aren't robots, they're twisted little creatures that are so xenophobic about the rest of the universe that they live their entire lives sealed up inside individual, armed and armored tanks. Which is a pretty terrific metaphor, when you think about it.
 
You're right:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/04/doctor-who-cardiff-premiere

I suppose that they'd rather put their funds into flying around for the world tour instead of a one-off in San Diego, especially given that they'll be stopping once in New York already.

In any case, if location shooting for the finale is done, I guess WE'RE done seeing any Capaldi & Coleman out and about in costume for a few months at least. Unless Peter does some of his world tour in costume, and it certainly seems like he's the type to do so...

Mark

You want to know something painful? I can literally see Cardiff through my living room window. So close yet so far. :(
 
Oh, forget that, GL. Had an interview for a job in the IPC tower a few years back. Turned out they were filming Runaway Bride on the roof at the time, but as my intereview was with TV Times they'd made very sure they didn't know...
 
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