TOS Enterprise Internals

[Mytran]

One additional indicator on the number of AC rooms is the door label.

In ,Mudd the ACR is specifically named in the script (and located on Deck 8) but all we get is this rather generic door sign:

In The Way To Eden we finally see a custom label and while slightly out of focus it can be read:

Here is my recreation:

The usage of the "2" might mean that it's the second control room after the Bridge, or that it's the second Auxiliary Control Room on the ship in total.
The addition of the "E" is consistent with my notion that the double pocket-door version is an ACR located in the Engineering Hull. It could also be just a happy coincidence!

 

[blssdwlf]

One additional indicator on the number of AC rooms is the door label.

In ,Mudd the ACR is specifically named in the script (and located on Deck 8) but all we get is this rather generic door sign:

In The Way To Eden we finally see a custom label and while slightly out of focus it can be read:

Here is my recreation:

The usage of the "2" might mean that it's the second control room after the Bridge, or that it's the second Auxiliary Control Room on the ship in total.
The addition of the "E" is consistent with my notion that the double pocket-door version is an ACR located in the Engineering Hull. It could also be just a happy coincidence!

That seems to make the most sense of what is shown on screen that there is a second ACR in the Engineering Hull. It is like the mythical designated transporter room of the Enterprise where only one is active at a time

 

[yotsuya]

One additional indicator on the number of AC rooms is the door label.

In ,Mudd the ACR is specifically named in the script (and located on Deck 8) but all we get is this rather generic door sign:

In The Way To Eden we finally see a custom label and while slightly out of focus it can be read:

Here is my recreation:

The usage of the "2" might mean that it's the second control room after the Bridge, or that it's the second Auxiliary Control Room on the ship in total.
The addition of the "E" is consistent with my notion that the double pocket-door version is an ACR located in the Engineering Hull. It could also be just a happy coincidence!

I really like this assessment. I just watched Doomsday Machine and I, Mudd to see the scenes with the door. You can just tell in I, Mudd that the set was on the outside of the curved corridor. You can't see anything to make an assessement of the corridor in The Doomsday Machine. It could be straight or curved. But the one in The Way to Eden is definitely straight which fits better with how I'd imagine the corridors in the secondary hull.

 

[publiusr]

maybe int very heart of the saucer--and that corridor bends around it--a thicker internal bulkhead in case of a mutiny or something?

 

[Mytran]

I really like this assessment. I just watched Doomsday Machine and I, Mudd to see the scenes with the door. You can just tell in I, Mudd that the set was on the outside of the curved corridor. You can't see anything to make an assessement of the corridor in The Doomsday Machine. It could be straight or curved. But the one in The Way to Eden is definitely straight which fits better with how I'd imagine the corridors in the secondary hull.

You are correct in that the small bit of corridor we see in Doomsday Machine could be interpreted as part of a non-curved section:

However, the action which takes place just outside (or very close to) Auxiliary Control in And The Children Shall Lead most definitely does have a curved section:

The curve is so blatant that I wonder if (in-universe) the ACR seen in ATCSL was the Deck 8 single-door version from I, Mudd, just with a bit of a hardware (and door) upgrade!
That way we get to keep the unique outer corridor from TWTE, unchanged and in the Engineering Hull.

 

[yotsuya]

You are correct in that the small bit of corridor we see in Doomsday Machine could be interpreted as part of a non-curved section:

However, the action which takes place just outside (or very close to) Auxiliary Control in And The Children Shall Lead most definitely does have a curved section:

The curve is so blatant that I wonder if (in-universe) the ACR seen in ATCSL was the Deck 8 single-door version from I, Mudd, just with a bit of a hardware (and door) upgrade!
That way we get to keep the unique outer corridor from TWTE, unchanged and in the Engineering Hull.

In And the Children Shall Lead, we do see the corridor, but not the door. So we can guess it is the Aux Control in the saucer, but it doesn't place it on the inside or the outside of the curve.

 

[Mytran]

In And the Children Shall Lead, we do see the corridor, but not the door. So we can guess it is the Aux Control in the saucer, but it doesn't place it on the inside or the outside of the curve.

True, and there's enough of a gap that Kirk and Spock could have stumbled into the next scene from either direction. They would have had to moved along a little anyway - the wall details don't match, let alone the corridor width (the one shown behind AC in that episode is only about 4' wide)

But my thoughts were more fuelled by the general reluctance to have curved corridors in the secondary hull

 

[yotsuya]

True, and there's enough of a gap that Kirk and Spock could have stumbled into the next scene from either direction. They would have had to moved along a little anyway - the wall details don't match, let alone the corridor width (the one shown behind AC in that episode is only about 4' wide)

But my thoughts were more fuelled by the general reluctance to have curved corridors in the secondary hull

Yes, while one person did come up with a way (and reason) to have curved corridors, it felt forced and I think straight and angled corridors makes more sense.

 

[Mytran]

Yes, while one person did come up with a way (and reason) to have curved corridors, it felt forced and I think straight and angled corridors makes more sense.

Structurally, I agree. I've seen a couple of layouts that feature curved corridors in the secondary hull, but that's because Deck 12 and Deck 14 were explicitly featured in the show and made use of the standard curved corridor set. It depends on how literally you want to interpret the visuals

 

[Henoch]

Structurally, I agree. I've seen a couple of layouts that feature curved corridors in the secondary hull, but that's because Deck 12 and Deck 14 were explicitly featured in the show and made use of the standard curved corridor set. It depends on how literally you want to interpret the visuals

I have curved corridors and curved corridor segments in my secondary hull, but I admit that the layout is "inconvenient" in places and set compromises need to be made. The outer diameter of the curved corridor is around 101 ft. 8 in. The widest point of the secondary hull is about 96 feet for the 947 foot E, but over 102 feet for larger size ships for example, for a 1080 foot ship, its widest point is about 109 feet. Another work around for the 947 feet ship is to reduce the diameter to fit or use only a shorter segment or offset the engine room from the center line...
Those bigger deck numbers are Season One references when the writers were told the saucer had over 20 decks. Later, that was corrected to only 11 decks in the saucer in the writer's guild.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

With the centerline of the saucer being Deck 7, depending on your deck height, a deck 14 for the very bottom of the saucer seems logically possible...but according to Franz Joseph, I think only 11 decks in the saucer fit in the expected way.

There are choices made in the project that I agree with and other that I do not, but one part of this project that works for me is the suggestion that the sets represent the ship, but that the angles and sizes of some rooms might be different; this seems especially workable since so many rooms have angles to walls that are not immediately clear from the way those sets are filmed.

In that spirit, the idea that the one, mostly curved set is actually representative of corridors at various parts of the ship, which may be more or less curved than the set was, makes sense to me.

When I find myself disagreeing with the project, it is, to me at least, in that same spirit. I do not see why one would accept that the curved set could represent a straight corridor, but then not simply imagine another nearby door to auxiliary control to account for getting behind the grate. I do not have the time with digital visual design tools to make such incredible digital plans as the ones shown in this project, and its spirit is so close to what makes sense to me, that it is very easy to wish that the decisions made would be the same ones that I would have made. None of this is to take away from the massive undertaking and even cross-referencing of other ships that is going on here.

I even tried to map out the ship, using a drawing and paper, as to how the decks would lay out if it had only 14 decks, since I think that was the highest mentioned in dialogue. That would make some dialogue references make more sense, as it is similar to the pressure diagram's dividing lines. Perhaps Pike's version of the ship could have been like that? That was fun, but would not really line up with most offscreen sources.

 

[yotsuya]

With the centerline of the saucer being Deck 7, depending on your deck height, a deck 14 for the very bottom of the saucer seems logically possible...but according to Franz Joseph, I think only 11 decks in the saucer fit in the expected way.

There are choices made in the project that I agree with and other that I do not, but one part of this project that works for me is the suggestion that the sets represent the ship, but that the angles and sizes of some rooms might be different; this seems especially workable since so many rooms have angles to walls that are not immediately clear from the way those sets are filmed.

In that spirit, the idea that the one, mostly curved set is actually representative of corridors at various parts of the ship, which may be more or less curved than the set was, makes sense to me.

When I find myself disagreeing with the project, it is, to me at least, in that same spirit. I do not see why one would accept that the curved set could represent a straight corridor, but then not simply imagine another nearby door to auxiliary control to account for getting behind the grate. I do not have the time with digital visual design tools to make such incredible digital plans as the ones shown in this project, and its spirit is so close to what makes sense to me, that it is very easy to wish that the decisions made would be the same ones that I would have made. None of this is to take away from the massive undertaking and even cross-referencing of other ships that is going on here.

I even tried to map out the ship, using a drawing and paper, as to how the decks would lay out if it had only 14 decks, since I think that was the highest mentioned in dialogue. That would make some dialogue references make more sense, as it is similar to the pressure diagram's dividing lines. Perhaps Pike's version of the ship could have been like that? That was fun, but would not really line up with most offscreen sources.

Yes, I take that one confined set and expand it out to be curved at various radii or even straight. When possible I like to leave it curved and toward the center so it is more accurate. We never see the TOS general crew quarters and I would put those further from the center with corridors with a larger radius. They had very few straight corridors so you have to make use of what little they did have and show.

The Aux control for me came down to simplicity. We get it in a lot of episodes. As far as I know, only I Mudd used a slightly different set. The others all used the same set, partially cannibalized from the first season Engineering set. In at least one of those the grate is not complete so for me, logically, the other part can slide out of the way. I need to reanalyze that since we all seem to agree that there are two, one on a curved corridor in the saucer and one in the secondary hull as seen in The Way To Eden (and that also ties into their escape in the shuttle). But from a security perspective I also really prefer the sliding grate to a second door to the cooridor.

 

[Mytran]

My own version of the TOS-Enterprise needs to have some connection to the TMP refit, at least in the saucer. If I'm going to believe that it's a rebuild rather than a do-over then decks levels at least need to match IMO

Those bigger deck numbers are Season One references when the writers were told the saucer had over 20 decks. Later, that was corrected to only 11 decks in the saucer in the writer's guild.

That early S1 layout meshed really well with the dialogue - Deck 12 was treated as a main deck in TEW and MW and the snooty officer in DOTM would much more justified in his surprise at seeing an Engineering crewman on Deck 14, in the saucer section

As far as I know, only I Mudd used a slightly different set. The others all used the same set, partially cannibalized from the first season Engineering set.

The single pocket door version of AC appeared in By Any Other Name as well, but was referred to as "Life Support Control". It was distinguished by having the central console at a different angle

 

[yotsuya]

Just a few things that aren't going to show up in this project, but are things I have in my notes...

The transporters. FJ had a bunch. 4 6 person and several emergency 22 person and cargo. I don't really see any support for either of those options given what we see in TOS or even TAS. I get where he was coming from, but I think other options would work, ones we seen on screen.

What I have done is follow the David Kimble TMP cutaway poster. It shows one transporter on the forward port side about about 3/4 forward. I have duplicated that on the starboard side giving two room. Based on TOS and TMP, it would be a single transporter system (so if one is down the other is down). Some episodes like The Enemy Within are a bit questionable since it was a contamination of one pad, but I think it is easy to explain it away that if one is contaminated that the shared systems would be (or at least the extreme fear would be that they are.

This leads to those two triangles on the bottom of the saucer being part of the transporter system (one next to each transporter room).

I put Aux control on the same deck between them. The deck below doesn't work. In TMP that is where the airlocks are and the deck has to be lower. That fits with the Rec Deck (the 3rd season set) being located on that deck and having a higher ceiling that the 8.25' of most of the decks in the saucer. It crushes the deck below that, but it makes an ideal area for some machinery that doesn't need frequent access (horizontal Jefferies tube type access). The aft end of both those decks is normal height.

The implication of Balance of Terror and TMOST is that the forward phaser room we see is on deck 11. But the amount of space used by that room and the corridor feels like a larger deck, so I put it on Deck 10. I'm not showing it on the cross section, but that seems like the best place for it. It also aligns with the FX location of the phasers on the exterior and being right next to it.

Which leads to phasers. So, I have a great many ideas. I have decided that whatever the phasers look like in TOS, they are concealed. I have two designs in mind. First matches what we see. The phaser is recessed with only the emitter breaking the hull surface. This would be smaller than one of the round windows so it would be invisible on the ship seen on screen. But how many should it have? They talk of aft phasers in TOS, but we don't see them until In A Mirror Darkly in Enterprise. That episode followed the TOS design, except for the deflector grid, so the emitter would be the same or slightly update (they are visible in at least one shot). The FX in that episode show one twin forward phaser bank, one twin aft phaser bank, one forward photon torpedo launcher and one aft photon torpedo launcher. The FX are more precise so you can see the location of all but the aft photon torpedo (it seems to come from above the hanger). Are these the weapons the TOS Enterprise should have. I think the aft weapons were mentioned in dialog, though never shown. They did not add any other weapons like FJ did. He didn't have any aft weapons and he moved the photon torpedoes to deck 3 and made it a twin launcher. He also added the port and starboard upper saucer phasers which led to the 6 phasers of the TMP Enterprise (after it went from Phase II to TMP and Jefferies wasn't involved, the FJ general plans were a reference for the TMP design.

Here is a fun video someone made of the Defiant exterior shots -

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My other idea for the phasers is that the aft dome and the lower dome are energy transparent and the phasers fire form inside it. This would make a forward twin phaser turret and an aft single phaser turret. This doesn't really fit with where they went in TMP so while I really like this idea, I don't think it is practical. Though someone might find it a preferable idea.

 

[blssdwlf]

Depending on how you interpret it, the Enterprise may not have had aft phasers early on as "Balance of Terror" didn't call them out specifically. However forward phasers were not called out as ready by nearby techs in the same episode so Robert or Angela could've been monitoring the Forward and Aft phaser status and didn't need a technician to call it out.

In "Arena" it seemed like the aft phaser control answered for the status for all the other phasers including itself.

As to the location of the phasers it would seem that the TMP Enterprise phaser locations is a good starting point as it covered both forward, port, starboard, midship and aft phaser locations.

"Balance of Terror"

KIRK: Energise main phasers, Mister Styles. All weapons to full power.
STILES: All weapons to full power. Phaser control room.
STILES [OC]: Energise. Acknowledge.
ANGELA: Phaser control acknowledging. All weapons energising to full.
ROBERT: Happy wedding day, almost.
ANGELA: You won't get off my hook this easily. I'm going to marry you, Mister, battle or phaser weapons notwithstanding.
ROBERT: Well, meanwhile, temporarily at least, I am still your superior officer. So get with it, Mister.
TEC 1: Port weapons show ready.
TEC 2: Starboard and midship weapons show ready.
ANGELA: Acknowledge. All weapons batteries ready.​

"Arena"

KIRK: Captain to phaser banks. All components at battle ready. All banks primed.
CREWMAN [OC]: Aft phaser to Bridge. Alert status. All weapons at operational ready.​

 

[yotsuya]

Depending on how you interpret it, the Enterprise may not have had aft phasers early on as "Balance of Terror" didn't call them out specifically. However forward phasers were not called out as ready by nearby techs in the same episode so Robert or Angela could've been monitoring the Forward and Aft phaser status and didn't need a technician to call it out.

In "Arena" it seemed like the aft phaser control answered for the status for all the other phasers including itself.

As to the location of the phasers it would seem that the TMP Enterprise phaser locations is a good starting point as it covered both forward, port, starboard, midship and aft phaser locations.

"Balance of Terror"

KIRK: Energise main phasers, Mister Styles. All weapons to full power.
STILES: All weapons to full power. Phaser control room.
STILES [OC]: Energise. Acknowledge.
ANGELA: Phaser control acknowledging. All weapons energising to full.
ROBERT: Happy wedding day, almost.
ANGELA: You won't get off my hook this easily. I'm going to marry you, Mister, battle or phaser weapons notwithstanding.
ROBERT: Well, meanwhile, temporarily at least, I am still your superior officer. So get with it, Mister.
TEC 1: Port weapons show ready.
TEC 2: Starboard and midship weapons show ready.
ANGELA: Acknowledge. All weapons batteries ready.​

"Arena"

KIRK: Captain to phaser banks. All components at battle ready. All banks primed.
CREWMAN [OC]: Aft phaser to Bridge. Alert status. All weapons at operational ready.​

I have missed that every time I've seen it. That makes FJ's 3 banks make sense plus the Definat's aft Phasers. Is there more than the one reference?

 

[blssdwlf]

I have missed that every time I've seen it. That makes FJ's 3 banks make sense plus the Definat's aft Phasers. Is there more than the one reference?

For phasers other than the forward phasers? Not that I've found.

One thing to note is that where there is dialogue for phasers for specific directions they are never called "phaser banks" but just "phasers" or "weapons" so FJ's thinking about "banks" don't appear to be correct. "Phaser banks" in TOS seem to be the generator or stored energy unit that send phaser energy to any of the ship's phaser weapons (emitters).

We see this in "For the World is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" where Kirk calls specifically for "phaser banks one and two" and phasers come out of the forward ventral emitters. In "Balance of Terror" we hear of "phaser one" and then "phaser two" firing with each discharging through 3 different emitters. In "The Paradise Syndrome", "phasers one" through "phaser four" are fired in sequence and then simultaneously through the same forward ventral emitters. In "Who Mourns for Adonais" "all phaser banks" are fired through the same forward ventral emitters".

"Corbomite Maneuver"

BAILEY: Bridge to phaser crews, stand ready.
CREWMAN [OC]: Forward phaser, will comply. All weapons at operational ready.​

"Balance of Terror"

KIRK: Weapons status?
SCOTT [OC]: We've only the forward phaser room, Captain.
...
KIRK: Forward phasers, stand by. Fire! Fire! Stiles, can you hear me? Fire!​

"What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

CREWMAN [OC]: All sections, security check in progress. Report. Forward phaser...​

"Day of the Dove"

SULU: Forward phasers locked and ready to fire, sir.​

 

[Henoch]

Here's my interpretation of the on-screen weapons and dialog for the TOS Enterprise:

The ship has one main weapon turret (metal ring component) on the bottom of the saucer. The weapon turret is a "solid state" energy/plasma emitter with no moving mechanical moving parts. The turret can fire one or two phaser beams at a time. The phasers are powered by four phaser energy banks which need to be charged prior to firing the phasers. For phaser control zone targeting, the turret is divided into four quadrants: Forward; Starboard; Port; and Midship (facing aft direction but not the Aft phasers.)

Using the logic that the metal ring around the dome is a phaser emitter turret, then the small metal ring around the aft dome on the engineering hull is the Aft phaser, and since its weapons were referred in the plural, then it also fires one or two phaser beams at a time. Whether it is powered by its own phaser bank(s) or draws power from the four main phaser banks in not clear. The small size of the ring implies that the power may be lower than the main phasers in the saucer. (I think of it as a stern chaser.)

The main weapon turret also fires the energy/plasma bolt for the photon torpedos (added to the ship during the 400+ stardate or ~5 month gap after Balance of Terror.) There are six photon torpedo "tubes" that hold a readied torpedo, then singly is discharged through the turret.

That's it, no other weapons or weapon locations. Areas not covered by these turrets are brought into their firing arcs by ship maneuvering. This also provides the in-universe reason why the phasers are directed by the helm position. Later with the refit in movies, the turret rings are replaced by multiple ball turrets and two independent photon torpedo launchers with all weapons now fired by the weapon console position since ship maneuvering is not as important to bring targets into a firing arc.

YMMV

 

[yotsuya]

For phasers other than the forward phasers? Not that I've found.

One thing to note is that where there is dialogue for phasers for specific directions they are never called "phaser banks" but just "phasers" or "weapons" so FJ's thinking about "banks" don't appear to be correct. "Phaser banks" in TOS seem to be the generator or stored energy unit that send phaser energy to any of the ship's phaser weapons (emitters).

We see this in "For the World is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" where Kirk calls specifically for "phaser banks one and two" and phasers come out of the forward ventral emitters. In "Balance of Terror" we hear of "phaser one" and then "phaser two" firing with each discharging through 3 different emitters. In "The Paradise Syndrome", "phasers one" through "phaser four" are fired in sequence and then simultaneously through the same forward ventral emitters. In "Who Mourns for Adonais" "all phaser banks" are fired through the same forward ventral emitters".

"Corbomite Maneuver"

BAILEY: Bridge to phaser crews, stand ready.
CREWMAN [OC]: Forward phaser, will comply. All weapons at operational ready.​

"Balance of Terror"

KIRK: Weapons status?
SCOTT [OC]: We've only the forward phaser room, Captain.
...
KIRK: Forward phasers, stand by. Fire! Fire! Stiles, can you hear me? Fire!​

"What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

CREWMAN [OC]: All sections, security check in progress. Report. Forward phaser...​

"Day of the Dove"

SULU: Forward phasers locked and ready to fire, sir.​

Typically you don't have forward anything unless you also have it in other places or directions. So at least forward and aft. Starboard and port were mentioned once so might be a possibility. For my Phase II drawings I used the FJ phaser positions and made the neck weapon photon torpedoes (initially supposed to be a larger phaser but by the final version of the design it looks more like the twin photon torpedoes from TMP).

 

[blssdwlf]

Typically you don't have forward anything unless you also have it in other places or directions. So at least forward and aft. Starboard and port were mentioned once so might be a possibility. For my Phase II drawings I used the FJ phaser positions and made the neck weapon photon torpedoes (initially supposed to be a larger phaser but by the final version of the design it looks more like the twin photon torpedoes from TMP).

Yeah it's reasonable to conclude that if "forward" phasers are mentioned there must be phasers at different arcs. Dialogue-wise we know there are forward, port, starboard, midships and aft phasers.