TOS Enterprise Internals

[Mres_was_framed!]

I'm including 2 engine rooms. The season 1 engine room would have to be a little smaller than the set to fit within the confines of the hull at the back of the saucer. The season 2/3 Engine room is the real Warp Engine control room on the hanger deck in the secondary hull. The pipe structure sits between the engine room and the hanger area and is more in the middle of the secondary hull rather than pushed back toward the hanger and pylons. The plumbing to the pylons passes over any part of the hanger area that is forward of the hanger bulkhead. This allows the entry seen in Journey to Bable to be forward and the view into the hanger would be of the inside of the clamshell doors (there are no details on the far wall so it could literally be any of the walls in the hanger, but the inside of the doors is the most logical to be so featureless). I see no need for a 2nd pipe structure in the secondary hull so I have not included one. I consider the pipe structures to be the main energizers (which use dilithium to convert the warp core plasma into energy the ship can use). The saucer energizer provides power to the saucer and main weapons and shields while the secondary hull one provides power to the deflector, aft weapons, and the warp drive system. Auxilliary power is located in the saucer.

Overall I think your design here makes a ton of sense. I think two pipe structures is a cool idea but I see why you don't want to do that. It was thought-provoking to wonder how the existence of ships like Saladin and Ptolemy could affect the locations of rooms locations of rooms on the ship. It is noteworthy how you have researched the 1701, refit, 1701A and Excelsior variants to learn more about each, and I was extending that thinking to other ships.

 

[yotsuya]

And another classic Constitution Class appears on screen. USS New Jersey, NCC-1975. Thanks Picard. And the 1701-A as well. A nice lineup of museum ships.

 

[publiusr]

Still working on the TMP refit lines?

 

[yotsuya]

Still working on the TMP refit lines?

I got the working drawings done, but now I need to have some time to sit down and get the work done.

 

[yotsuya]

The various museum ships really return us to the classic Constitution Class lines. And seeing them in scale with the Galaxy Class nails down their size.

 

[Henoch]

The various museum ships really return us to the classic Constitution Class lines. And seeing them in scale with the Galaxy Class nails down their size.

So, what's your estimate?

 

[yotsuya]

The rings all appear to be the same size and we see the different scales from that. The Akira Class and Excelsior Class are supposed to be about the same length and they appear to be in the shots. Voyager, New Jersey, and Enterprise A are shorter but all about the same length. Enterprise D is much larger and when we see it in its ring it dwarfs the ring and compared to the New Jersey, it looks like the scale drawing Andy Probert made of the Galaxy and Constitution Classes. The D-7, Bounty, and NX refit also fit that scale. The Pioneer is in scale to the New Jersey. The Romulan Bird of Prey looks too large, but it isn't he TOS version so it likely is a different class. The Nebula Class ship is shorter than the Galaxy Class and is noticeably shorter but looks like it is the same width and the Ent D.

So my conclusion is that all those ships were scaled to their Berman era canon scale.

Here is my list of ships I noted from Picard season 3. I do not know what class a few of them are. I included the two previous Titan's we saw models of.

USS Intrepid NCC-79520 (Duderstadt Class)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-F (Odyssey Class)
USS Titan NCC-80102-A/USS Enterprise NCC-1701-G (Neo Constitution Class)
USS Sternbach NCC-97942 (Echelon-class)
USS Cole NCC-97938 (Echelon-class)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D (rebuilt with parts from USS Syracuse NCC-17744 - engines and warp core)

USS Constance (Constellation Class) Lost in Action
USS Titan (Shangri-La Class) Conference room model
USS Titan NCC-80102 (Luna Class) Conference room model

Starfleet Museum
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A (Constitution Class)
HMS Bounty (Captured Klingon Bird of Prey TSFS & TVH)
Kronos One (TUC)
USS Enterprise NX-01 (NX Refit Class)
USS Bozeman NCC-1941 (Miranda/Soyuz Class)
USS Lexington NCC-30405 (Nebula Class)
USS Voyager NCC-74656 (Intrepid Class)
USS Excelsior NCC-2000 (Excelsior Class)
USS Wersching NCC-63328 (Akira Class)
USS New Jersey NCC-1945 (Constitution Class)
USS Stargazer NCC-2893 (Constellation Class)
USS Pioneer NCC-1500 (Pioneer Class)
Romulan Bird of Prey (23rd century - not sure if pre or post TOS BoP)
USS Defiant NCC-74205 (Defiant Class)
USS Argo NCC-61357 (Saber Class)
USS Leondegrance NCC-2176 (Lancelot Class)

 

[yotsuya]

I updated my previous post. Only 2 pre-Constitution Class ships (at least outside). Then 5 movie era ships. Then 2 relics from TNG episodes.

 

[yotsuya]

I recently had a brainstorm about the deck heights. I'm going to revisit the layout and adjust some decks. Not every deck has to be the same thickness. Some are structural and some aren't. I think I can even out some of my odd deck spacing by following the pressure compartment diagram and making the decks inside the pressure compartment thinner. Decks 4, 6, 8 and 10 in particular.

 

[DSG2k]

It's probably long since dawned on you in the intervening two and a half weeks, but there might be 'compatibility opportunities' in regards to any apparent variations of deck height and thickness insofar as having the refit to work backwards from, if possible.

That is to say, if (making up wild numbers here) deck 78 was seen on the refit to be X.Y meters while 77 was strongly implied to be X.Z, it would be delightful if those could match up, at least roughly, on the pre-refit ship.

 

[publiusr]

I wonder if Spacedock even had that many decks…

 

[BK613]

I wonder if Spacedock even had that many decks…

You mean the Mushroom SD, which is at least a half a dozen to a dozen times taller than the E is long? Oh yeah, I sure it does.

 

[DEWLine]

You'd need yottabytes' worth of storage space for the design specs of the old Spacedock.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

There is no USS Bozeman at the Museum. It is the USS Saratoga from ST IV, made up by Starfleet to look like the USS Saratoga from DS9's "Emissary".

 

[Ithekro]

Maybe Bozeman is inside. (or blown up at the Battle of Sector 001).

 

[yotsuya]

There is no USS Bozeman at the Museum. It is the USS Saratoga from ST IV, made up by Starfleet to look like the USS Saratoga from DS9's "Emissary".

you are quite correct. I posted that list right after the episode aired and some they released some behind the scenes information after that to correct it.

 

[publiusr]

It is the “newest” Miranda derivative being preserved in an anomaly’s boneyard.

Really, TAS’ Delta Triangle is the best spot for a boneyard.

 

[Wigand]

I haven't read everything here, but one thing occurred to me when I saw the discussion about the windows. Artificial gravity is used on the ships. Basically something similar to what the warp field is for travelling. If I'm able to create artificial gravity, I can make it work on any walls. It might even be possible to create a curved space, because that's what a warp field actually does. So you can explain all the problems with size ratios by the fact that the ships are bigger on the inside than on the outside. That would be similar to the Tardis in Dr Who.
I know this idea sounds pretty crazy, but it should definitely be pursued further.