Not Ten Forward.

[Tosk]

Apologies if this has been dealt with, but...you know.

I've seen many references to PIC ep 1 opening with a scene in Ten Forward. (Even Wheaton says it on The Ready Room.) But am I crazy, or is the scene not actually set there at all?

If you look at the ship straight-on (lining up other landmarks on the saucer) you can see that the three windows we zoom in on are quite a ways off from the center. (You can actually see Ten Forward where it is supposed to be, especially if you up the gamma.) And when we do go inside, Picard has a wall behind him, so it can't even be excused as the far side of TF.

So this is just another TF-like room on the saucer rim, yeah?

 

[KennyB]

I've heard many theories, and yes it has been discussed in a few threads. 1) Like a few other things, it's a dream things are wonky. Like Data wearing the wrong uniform, the 5 queens............I have also seen some people say that there are other lounges to each side of 10 forward shown on some official blueprints somewhere. I am trying to search for them.......but real life keeps getting in the way.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Devil's advocate: Do we have evidence (outside of non-canon blueprints) the Ten Forward seen in TNG is the very front of the saucer?

I'm just impressed that made a fudge that looked convincing at first glance. Ten Forward is hugely out of scale with the Enterprise-D.

 

[Tosk]

I guess "dream logic" is as good an excuse as any. It also explains why we zoom in on three windows of the same size on the exterior, but then we cut into a room with at least six windows of differing sizes on the interior.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Devil's advocate: Do we have evidence (outside of non-canon blueprints) the Ten Forward seen in TNG is the very front of the saucer?

I'm just impressed that made a fudge that looked convincing at first glance. Ten Forward is hugely out of scale with the Enterprise-D.

Yes.
TNG episode Starship Mine.
Picard takes refuge in Ten Forward as the last place on the ship hit by the baryon sweep beam.
It must be exactly at the front saucer rim.

that said, it makes sense that the entire Ten Forward area is more than one room.

 

[KennyB]

Yes.
TNG episode Starship Mine.
Picard takes refuge in Ten Forward as the last place on the ship hit by the baryon sweep beam.
It must be exactly at the front saucer rim.

that said, it makes sense that the entire Ten Forward area is more than one room.

With the size of the crew yes, unless EVERY deck has a bar

 

[KennyB]

OK TNG Blueprints book by Rick Sternbach shows rooms on each side of the main bar as crew lounges......FWIW.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes.
TNG episode Starship Mine.
Picard takes refuge in Ten Forward as the last place on the ship hit by the baryon sweep beam.
It must be exactly at the front saucer rim.

that said, it makes sense that the entire Ten Forward area is more than one room.

Good catch.
That said, the show kinda made Ten Forward look bigger than the actual set, with (I think?) large mirrors at the end of the window bays to make it seem they continued on. Perhaps it wasn't a mirror in-universe and Ten Forward was intended to be larger than the physical set, akin to the forced-perspective engineering sets in TOS and TMP?

 

[Tosk]

I always figured those mirrors at either end of TF were supposed to "actually" be an opening to another room, but I have no idea if that's really true.

 

[F. King Daniel]

OK TNG Blueprints book by Rick Sternbach shows rooms on each side of the main bar as crew lounges......FWIW.

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And no toilets anywhere near the bar. Those (unseen until Discovery) cleaning bots must have hated life.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

And no toilets anywhere near the bar. Those (unseen until Discovery) cleaning bots must have hated life.

Maybe thats why we never saw them. Because of the SHAME.

 

[ITDUDE]

OK TNG Blueprints book by Rick Sternbach shows rooms on each side of the main bar as crew lounges......FWIW.

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Works for me

 

[Paul Weaver]

OK TNG Blueprints book by Rick Sternbach shows rooms on each side of the main bar as crew lounges......FWIW.

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I love the number of turbolift exits on them too.

Amazing AI by the computer that knows exactly which section to go to when someone says "deck 13". Probably some temporal processors similar to how they know when to open the door and when to wait for the dramatic pause that sometimes is needed

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder how much of the 10 Forward set was real.

 

[ALF]

OK TNG Blueprints book by Rick Sternbach shows rooms on each side of the main bar as crew lounges......FWIW.

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Eight tables for +1,000 people means Guinan's very busy taking reservations.
Now I can see the reason for that awesome bar fight O'Brien starts in "Sarek."

The narrow areas port and starboard of 10-Foward with what look like more chairs/tables totally makes sense, and the atmosphere would be much more romantic.

I wonder how much of the 10 Forward set was real.

From the dream, I thought only the table and chairs were real.

 

[Timo]

Eight tables for +1,000 people means Guinan's very busy taking reservations.

Supposedly not everybody would be going. For the first season, not only was the set not built and Guinan not cast, but these things were supposedly also absent in-universe. Or at least Guinan was. Plus, in "The Child", Picard homes in on the bar by telling the turbolift to go to Deck 10, Forward Station 1, rather than to Ten Forward; it does appear the location is new to him, too.

So yes, presumably the ship would have alternative watering holes on offer, too, and some customers might never wish to move their loyalties over to this new place.

The narrow areas port and starboard of 10-Foward with what look like more chairs/tables totally makes sense, and the atmosphere would be much more romantic.

The locations just to port and stbd of 10-Fwd would be prime estate for the official Captain's Table and Guinan's own personal cabinet, I think. Picard might well imagine himself at the former, privately honing his poker skills with Data so that he can enter the top officer's poker ring with confidence in "All Good Things...".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Vger23]

It was a dream. There were purposeful decisions made by the producers and directors to make the whole thing appear a little "off."

I wouldn't spend much more energy thinking about it than that.

 

[DaveyNY]

It was a dream. There were purposeful decisions made by the producers and directors to make the whole thing appear a little "off."

I wouldn't spend much more energy thinking about it than that.

Wouldn't that depend on how much energy one spends on deciphering ones own dreams?


(I very rarely remember my own dreams, so I really have no clue)

 

[thribs]

It is 10 forward. The producers just don’t care enough to make it accurate.
It’s just a dream sequence though.

 

[Vger23]

It is 10 forward. The producers just don’t care enough to make it accurate.

How do you figure?

Man, people will just invent any shit they can think of to make the producers the enemy, huh?