Ah - alrighty, then, there it is. 
Will Lower Decks ever promote Harry Kim?
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If you have a more comprehensive source of information, let's see it.
Well, yes. Because until it is established in canon that Harry's ensign rank is permanent, recognized non-canon sources (published books and video games) should be given precedent. I can name three where Harry was promoted either after leaving Janeway's command or in the closing moments of it. Which makes your query moot.
Click bait site with no journalistic standards.
Given some of the decisions made by certain books and video games, I'm disinclined to simply give them precedence (not that the episodes are necessarily always better, but they are harder to argue with).
Personally I'd like to think Harry was promoted the moment Voyager got back to Earth, though...though that's still ridiculously too late.
But then, my query was tongue-in-cheek anyhow.
Una McCormack, in "The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway", stated that her last act as captain of Voyager was to promote him to lieutenant, and that he ascended rapidly through the ranks thereafter, culminating in his own command. I consider that the perfect
-you to VOY's showrunners. I believe that the plan was to lock this into canon in PIC, but unknown circumstances prevented it. Possibly, the writers were afraid to upset the numerous people who take a certain sadistic pleasure in the notion of him being an ensign forever. Perhaps the ultimate plan is to keep Harry in limbo indefinitely.I didn't ask for denigrating remarks, I asked you to provide a more reliable source of information that refutes the information the the link I provided. If you cannot do so, at least be willing to admit it.
No idea what you're on about. I merely stated I did not trust the source, a known click bait site.
I'm not sure I do either. But presumably, this was a direct quote from Wang himself, at the Galactic Diversity & Inclusion Convention.
He should appear on "Discovery," after they travel to the 32nd Century. Centuries old, and still an ensign.
And people here insist that the "Eternal Ensign" crowd doesn't exist.
Surely you're not taking their suggestion as a serious comment?
That said, I absolutely agree that there are people out there that think that Harry should stay an ensign forever.
...they all wrote for Voyager.
Sometimes I wonder...
That said, I absolutely agree that there are people out there that think that Harry should stay an ensign forever.
...they all wrote for Voyager.
You sure about that?
They were going to promote him on "Picard". His appearance got canceled.
Then they tried to stick him in "Prodigy". The whole
series got canceled. If they try for "Lower Decks", they might just cancel Star Trek as a whole! 
I mostly rib at the "Eternal Ensign" thing because I find it funny, though admittedly in a somewhat scornful manner. However, it's primarily directed at the writers and aspects of the character's behavior throughout the series. That Janeway wouldn't have at least given him a promotion "that will need to be certified by Starfleet when we return to the Alpha Quadrant" or such is too much for my suspension of disbelief, with the only rationalization being that Janeway actually was spiteful toward Kim and so emotionally compromised with regards to him that it shouldn't have been her decision.
Exactly. Janeway gave 30 Maquis field commission (or reinstated existing ones in the case of Tom and Chakotay). She issued half a dozen field demotions, and promoted Tom, Tuvok, and B'Elanna. Compared to all that, giving an ensign who thoroughly distinguished himself (and was doing lieutenant level work anyway) a promotion he was scheduled for anyway was a slam dunk.
Oh, it's plain as pie that this was not really Janeway. The Kathryn Janeway that we knew, that Kate Mulgrew brought to life so well... she was warm and compassionate, and would have either given Harry the recognition and advancement he earned or (if this wasn't possible) at least not responded to his observation that he should've been promoted long ago... with accusations.
Surely you're not taking their suggestion as a serious comment?
That said, I absolutely agree that there are people out there that think that Harry should stay an ensign forever.
...they all wrote for Voyager.
I agree we need to stop making jokes about him being a Ensign. It is time he is busted back down to cadet!
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