Spoilers (Somewhat minor spoilers) Guys, Lower Decks has NOT decanonized Discovery. Or SNW.

[Fateor]

The obvious answer to me is that Discovery exists partially within the prime timeline.

By which I mean the events of Season 1 happened generally as we saw them, but in the prime timeline the Klingons were normal Klingons using normal klingons ships to do those things.

Things get really complicated however when you throw Discovery Season 2 into things, because under Star Trek's own rule all the Wormhole based time traveling Michael and her mother did should have yeeted them into an alternate timeline ala the Kelvine timeline.

However we also know from Lower Decks that SNW exists within the prime timeline, as does Pike's time crystal experience. So either events went similar enough in the prime timeline that things lined up to have Pike end up with a time crystal even without Discovery, or there's a giant mess going on behind the scenes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The obvious answer to me is that Discovery exists partially within the prime timeline.

By which I mean the events of Season 1 happened generally as we saw them, but in the prime timeline the Klingons were normal Klingons using normal klingons ships to do those things.

Things get really complicated however when you throw Discovery Season 2 into things, because under Star Trek's own rule all the Wormhole based time traveling Michael and her mother did should have yeeted them into an alternate timeline ala the Kelvine timeline.

However we also know from Lower Decks that SNW exists within the prime timeline, as does Pike's time crystal experience. So either events went similar enough in the prime timeline that things lined up to have Pike end up with a time crystal even without Discovery, or there's a giant mess going on behind the scenes.

So you're saying it's just another day in Star Trek that ends in "Y".

 

[fireproof78]

Things get really complicated however when you throw Discovery Season 2 into things, because under Star Trek's own rule all the Wormhole based time traveling Michael and her mother did should have yeeted them into an alternate timeline ala the Kelvine timeline.

Wait, why?

 

[JRob94]

Wait, why?

Glad I’m not the only person scratching my head over that in particular

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wait, why?

Glad I’m not the only person scratching my head over that in particular

Yeah, I don't recall ever hearing anything like that in Star Trek, and none of Star Trek's pseudoscience really has never had any hard and fast rules anyway.

 

[Daedalus]

I can see where he's coming from. However, there never really seems to be definable rules, only writer's discretion.

 

[Fateor]

Wait, why?

Because that's what was established in Star Trek (2009)? And then re-established in Star Trek: Prodigy?

Time travel through a wormhole = new timeline is spawned.

So using that law of time travel the events of Discovery should have begun branching out into new timelines in the early 2230s when Gabrielle Burnham first started using the Red Angel suit to generate wormholes.

And by the time of Discovery we should have been over 840 timelines displaced from the original. Of course, that brings up several questions about which timeline we were actually watching and when. But the bit on Lower Decks with the Disco Klingon at least heavily suggests that Disco's events as we saw them didn't take place in the Prime universe. (Though that doesn't mean similar events didn't take place in said Prime universe, because Temporal Mechanics 101 tells us only certain specific things matter.)

 

[fireproof78]

Because that's what was established in Star Trek (2009)?

That was a black hole, per dialog.

 

[cooleddie74]

A Red Matter black hole, to be specific.

 

[Fateor]

That was a black hole, per dialog.

A black hole with an exit point is a wormhole...

But again, it was re-established in Prodigy. So even if I toss Star Trek (2009) out of that reply, it still doesn't change the fact that it's been established in universe to work that way.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Because that's what was established in Star Trek (2009)? And then re-established in Star Trek: Prodigy?

Time travel through a wormhole = new timeline is spawned.

So using that law of time travel the events of Discovery should have begun branching out into new timelines in the early 2230s when Gabrielle Burnham first started using the Red Angel suit to generate wormholes.

I think it started splintering new TimeLines farther back than that.

Remember, they needed to get a Klingon "Time Crystal" from Boreth to power the dang Red Angel suit that could time travel.
The most likely outcome in the original TNG-era Prime TimeLine, before "First Contact" most likely started a wacky ButterFly Effect, was that they couldn't get ahold of the "Time Crystal".
Ergo the Red Angel suit never succeeded and it became a "Failed Section 31 Black Project" since they had no "Time Crystal" to power the suit.
Ergo Michael Burnham never became orphaned & adopted by Ambassador Sarek, she never becomes Spock's Adopted Human Sister.
That triggers a whole cascade of events that involved Michael Burnham & StarFleet along with a UFP vs Klingon Empire war
And that causes the rest of the DISCO / SNW TimeLine to exist.

And by the time of Discovery we should have been over 840 timelines displaced from the original. Of course, that brings up several questions about which timeline we were actually watching and when. But the bit on Lower Decks with the Disco Klingon at least heavily suggests that Disco's events as we saw them didn't take place in the Prime universe. (Though that doesn't mean similar events didn't take place in said Prime universe, because Temporal Mechanics 101 tells us only certain specific things matter.)

We're probably watching the most successful version of the DISCO / SNW era TimeLine that leads to "Survival" into the future, despite any of the major cataclysms that might've happened including CONTROL becoming a Sentient AI & wiping out all Organic Life in the Milky Way Galaxy.

I'm willing to blame "The Borg" time traveling back in ST:FC and leaving a few drones behind on Earth that was studied that might've advanced AI & Nano-Tech dramatically for humanity, far further along than it should've in the DISCO/SNW timeline. That's why CONTROL could even potentially have evolved so fast in the first place and get used by Section 31.

That level of AI/Computing didn't exist in the TNG era TimeLine, so for such advanced tech to show up in the past, and inspire humans of that era to go down a R&D path along with having hints as to what kind of AI / Nano-Tech that might work.

Remember, in the TNG era timeline, Nano-Bot technology was NOWHERE near as advanced as it was shown in DISCO/SNW, so they evolved Nano-Bot technology at a incredibly fast pace compared to the TNG era timeline. That is bound to have a major Butterfly effect due to being able to stuy how Borg NanoProbes work.

 

[fireproof78]

A black hole with an exit point is a wormhole...

But again, it was re-established in Prodigy. So even if I toss Star Trek (2009) out of that reply, it still doesn't change the fact that it's been established in universe to work that way.

Going by Trek presentations I would say they are different.

 

[Tosk]

A black hole with an exit point is a wormhole...

But again, it was re-established in Prodigy. So even if I toss Star Trek (2009) out of that reply, it still doesn't change the fact that it's been established in universe to work that way.

Time travel in Trek works multiple ways, with multiple results. All depends on the story being told.

But the bit on Lower Decks with the Disco Klingon at least heavily suggests that Disco's events as we saw them didn't take place in the Prime universe.

No it doesn't. No more than it heavily suggests that "proto-Klingons" (such as the one Worf once turned into) are not part of the Prime universe. The ship also turns into a Galaxy class and an Oberth class. Do those ships not exist in the PU?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because that's what was established in Star Trek (2009)? And then re-established in Star Trek: Prodigy?

Time travel through a wormhole = new timeline is spawned.

So using that law of time travel the events of Discovery should have begun branching out into new timelines in the early 2230s when Gabrielle Burnham first started using the Red Angel suit to generate wormholes.

And by the time of Discovery we should have been over 840 timelines displaced from the original. Of course, that brings up several questions about which timeline we were actually watching and when. But the bit on Lower Decks with the Disco Klingon at least heavily suggests that Disco's events as we saw them didn't take place in the Prime universe. (Though that doesn't mean similar events didn't take place in said Prime universe, because Temporal Mechanics 101 tells us only certain specific things matter.)

No it establishes that the trip through that particular black hole created an alternate timeline.

Time travel operates at the needs of the plot and the whims of the writers. Creating rules are a fool's errand.

 

[Tallguy]

How many times has Star Trek featured time travel? And how many times has it created an alternate timeline?

 

[Tosk]

How many times has Star Trek featured time travel?

Quite a lot!

And how many times has it created an alternate timeline?

Sometimes.

(Although personally, I prefer to think that ST09 actually has Spock and Nero traveling to an already existing alternate reality rather than them creating it. From their perspective, they just had no way of knowing that.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was the '09 publicity tour when Kurtzman and Orci were saying they created another timeline rather than overwrote what existed. Since then they've done loads of stories with one timeline getting "fixed". It's a bit of a mess.

 

[valkyrie013]

JJ wanted 2009 to overwrite the Prime timeline, but others nixed that idea as it basically nerfed 45 years of history.

but no, LD didn't decanonize anything, its just losers like doomcoke that stir crap for clicks..

 

[Dukhat]

JJ wanted 2009 to overwrite the Prime timeline, but others nixed that idea as it basically nerfed 45 years of history.

No, that’s not what he wanted. He wanted a reboot while at the same time making it clear that the ‘prime’ timeline still existed. That was the entire point of why Nimoy was in the film.

 

[David cgc]

A black hole with an exit point is a wormhole...

"Interspatial flexure? Why didn't you say so in the first place? He said 'wormhole,' a layman's term that that covers any number of phenomena. I am familiar with a certain anomaly that could be categorized as an interspatial flexure." — VGR 5x10, "Counterpoint."

The most useful line of technobabble in all of Star Trek.