Why can't they write Star Trek like...

[fireproof78]

it's quite utopian.

That's not appealing.

 

[JamesRye]

That's not appealing.

You'll enjoy section 31 then

 

[fireproof78]

You'll enjoy section 31 then

Maybe.


I prefer TOS and Kirk's comment on paradise and utopia: No, no, Bones, this time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through, struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.

 

[trekfan_1]

Prestige television writers just do not see Trek as ambitious projects. Like it or not, "Franchise " shows have stigmas and a perception of inflexible creativity opportunity due to canon and general fan expectations. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Prestige television writers just do not see Trek as ambitious projects. Like it or not, "Franchise " shows have stigmas and a perception of inflexible creativity opportunity due to canon and general fan expectations. Just my 2 cents.

Writers who have prestige or writers who write for prestige TV shows?

 

[trekfan_1]

Writers who have prestige or writers who write for prestige TV shows?

The latter but probably applies to both

 

[Shawnster]

I just want to see a Star Trek series regularly nominated for best written drama or action or whatever series category it qualifies for.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The latter but probably applies to both

Which writers and which shows? Shows like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just want to see a Star Trek series regularly nominated for best written drama or action or whatever series category it qualifies for.

Has that ever happened? Outside of skiffy awards.

I assume it would be "drama" as I don't think there is a separate Emmy for "action."

 

[trekfan_1]

Which writers and which shows? Shows like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones?

Which writers and which shows? Shows like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones?

Well a show like The Wire comes to mind but yeah I think some writers just see Trek as a cavernous franchise and may not be too be oexcited or invested in writing for the latest Show from a long list of Star Trek shows from their perspective.

And also studios for the mist oart seek out writers they perceive as "understanding franchise entertainment "

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well a show like The Wire comes to mind but yeah I think some writers just see Trek as a cavernous franchise and may not be too be oexcited or invested in writing for the latest Show from a long list of Star Trek shows from their perspective.

Never seen it. Glancing at Wiki and IMDB its writers seem to come from a specific group in volved in crime fiction and journalism.

Trek tends to attract fans who are also "big time" writers, like Michael Chabon or Akiva Goldsman. Other "genre writers" from shows like Fringe have also been involved.

 

[trekfan_1]

Never seen it. Glancing at Wiki and IMDB its writers seem to come from a specific group in volved in crime fiction and journalism.

Trek tends to attract fans who are also "big time" writers, like Michael Chabon or Akiva Goldsman. Other "genre writers" from shows like Fringe have also been involved.

Goldman is debatabe. Chabon if I recall butted heads with others because his ideas went contrary to others within the production team. Hence he didn't last.

Picard season 1 had structural problems with the writing IMO which i belive was lack of overall cohessivemess amoung the writting team. Not because Chabon was incompetent in doing so.

Chabon not lasting kinda Illustrates how Trek can be intimidating for writers who may feel they do not have the creative freedom they may otherwise get on a original show where there given the keys. . Too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Goldman is debatabe. Chabon if I recall butted heads with others because his ideas went contrary to others within the production team. Hence he didn't last.

Picard season 1 had structural problems with the writing which i belive was lack of overall cohessivemess amoung the writting team. Not because Chabon was incompetent in doing so.

Chabon not lasting kinda Illustrates how Trek can be intimidating for writers who may feel they do not have the creative freedom they may otherwise get on an original show. Too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome.

Goldsman is an Academy Award winner. Pretty “prestige.”

Never heard anything about Chabon butting heads. All I heard is he left to focus on developing a project based on his own works.

 

[fireproof78]

Goldsman is an Academy Award winner. Pretty “prestige.”

Never heard anything about Chabon butting heads. All I heard is he left to focus on developing a project based on his own works.

News flash: creative person wants to be creative.

Film at 11.

 

[Ceridwen]

ER. Love the show. I found the writing very compelling.

I still feel that, instead of ending the show and focusing on spin-offs, The Next Generation should have taken a page out of ER's book and just kept going, rotating cast members in and out as necessary. The show really didn't have to end when it did, and most problems with its final season can largely be attributed to the writers' focus being shifted toward Voyager and Generations.

I understand the studio politics involved that prevented something like that from happening, it's just an alternate reality I think about sometimes.

 

[Shawnster]

I still feel that, instead of ending the show and focusing on spin-offs, The Next Generation should have taken a page out of ER's book and just kept going, rotating cast members in and out as necessary.

I'm of mixed minds. I do like your idea and I would like to see that. On the other hand, some shows go on far too long.

 

[Vger23]

Honestly, write the damn thing almost just like DS9. More ensemble characters with better-developed relationships. Story arcs but not hyper-serialized. Mature storylines that mix sci-fi, space opera, adventure, and intrigue. And give it a soul with some purpose and some pride.

I’m actually unsure about why it’s so hard.

 

[drt]

I still feel that, instead of ending the show and focusing on spin-offs, The Next Generation should have taken a page out of ER's book and just kept going, rotating cast members in and out as necessary. The show really didn't have to end when it did, and most problems with its final season can largely be attributed to the writers' focus being shifted toward Voyager and Generations.

I understand the studio politics involved that prevented something like that from happening, it's just an alternate reality I think about sometimes.

That would have been an interesting direction to go. To pull that off it was probably something the production should have started doing in the third or fourth season, which honestly they should have done with Riker since he was supposed to be an up-and-coming superstar officer. Plus, the 1701-D was the premier posting in Starfleet, it really should have had more top officers in the fleet rotating through it.

However, TNG was probably a victim of its own success, I think Paramount figured they could make more money transitioning the cast to feature films.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Honestly, write the damn thing almost just like DS9. More ensemble characters with better-developed relationships. Story arcs but not hyper-serialized. Mature storylines that mix sci-fi, space opera, adventure, and intrigue. And give it a soul with some purpose and some pride.

I’m actually unsure about why it’s so hard.

So, SNW then?

 

[Vger23]

So, SNW then?

It’s close, but not quite there. Too much silliness with the “big risk” episodes, and the characters are hit-or-miss. I love the series so far, but it’s not in the same neighborhood as some of the previous era stuff.

I hope to see it mature in the next two seasons.