I knew I should've voted for Search for Spock out of spite. That movie is awesome in a thousand different ways.
What is the Best Star Trek film?
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Oh yeah. Kruge, the death of the Enterprise(a truely moving scene) and the sabotage of the Excelsior by Scotty.
I think all these films have so many great moments, hell even Nemesis had the Romulans and the great opening intro to Romulus.
Sadly that's all it had...
First Contact, without a doubt 
Everything about it kicks ass
"and you guys are all astronauts, on some kind of star trek?" lmao best line ever.
Everything about it kicks ass
"and you guys are all astronauts, on some kind of star trek?" lmao best line ever.
^Now, Nemesis had a bit more--the space battle with the Scimitar is awesome, although it could've been more awesome (and less stupid) if the dumbest people in Starfleet had stopped to wonder why Picard was late and brought their ships into the Rift.
TSFS was hilarious at turns and moving at others. I've only cried during two Trek films, and those are TWOK (Spock dies) and TSFS (when Spock remembers Kirk's name). You also can't discount David Marcus' death scene and Kirk's reaction to it.
How some people hate this movie I can't understand.
TSFS was hilarious at turns and moving at others. I've only cried during two Trek films, and those are TWOK (Spock dies) and TSFS (when Spock remembers Kirk's name). You also can't discount David Marcus' death scene and Kirk's reaction to it.
How some people hate this movie I can't understand.
I feel the same way about The Search for Spock and The Undiscovered Country...like The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home, they have some wonderful scenes and unforgettable moments, but unlike those other movies, they also have entire sections that I believe are weak and drag down the movie, keeping it from being great from start to finish. Like the prison scenes in The Undiscovered Country, I don't like the stuff on the Genesis planet in The Search for Spock. It's boring and diverts attention away from the much more interesting developments among the Enterprise crew. I especially don't like the way David was killed. It just happens so abruptly, I can't help but think, "that's it?" when it's over. A really lame death scene, especially compared to the one in Star Trek II, and hardly better than the one in Star Trek X. I agree, though, that Kirk's reaction was an effective scene.
Unfortunately, I found most of the movie uninteresting dramatically, just expository. Nothing really happens. It's all just set-up for the fight at the end and future movies. Okay, there's the Enterprise's destruction, but there aren't many scenes as exciting as that. For the most part The Search for Spock is nothing more than necessary exposition, connecting The Wrath of Khan to The Voyage Home and setting up Kirk's resentment of Klingons for The Undiscovered Country. It's an important part of the movie franchise because of all the signficant developments in it that enrich the history told across the six movies, but it isn't as exciting and entertaining as a standalone story as The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home. That's why I don't mind owning them and not it.
I can remember all the important developments between Star Trek II and IV without having to watch Star Trek III, and I don't mind missing it because there aren't a lot of scenes that enthrall me. Another problem is that the characters unique to the movie (i.e. Kruge) aren't as intriguing as those unique to the movies it takes place between. Kruge was an okay villain, but he wasn't as charismatic as Khan, and his interactions with Kirk weren't as memorable as those of Khan (even without them meeting in person) or even the scientist in The Voyage Home.
With that said, though, I don't hate the movie. Not by a long shot. I think it's still better than all of the TNG movies except First Contact as well as The Motion Picture. It's just nothing special. It's the 'safest' movie in the franchise. Servicable, but lacking the extra spark that the best movies in the franchise had. I think Spock being away for most of the movie (although we hear his voice as he's possessed McCoy) hurt it a lot too. Without the Kirk, Spock, McCoy dynamic, it was missing something integral. I agree, though, him recognizing Kirk at the end was a great moment, it's just too bad the movie didn't have more moments like that.
Unfortunately, I found most of the movie uninteresting dramatically, just expository. Nothing really happens. It's all just set-up for the fight at the end and future movies. Okay, there's the Enterprise's destruction, but there aren't many scenes as exciting as that. For the most part The Search for Spock is nothing more than necessary exposition, connecting The Wrath of Khan to The Voyage Home and setting up Kirk's resentment of Klingons for The Undiscovered Country. It's an important part of the movie franchise because of all the signficant developments in it that enrich the history told across the six movies, but it isn't as exciting and entertaining as a standalone story as The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home. That's why I don't mind owning them and not it.
I can remember all the important developments between Star Trek II and IV without having to watch Star Trek III, and I don't mind missing it because there aren't a lot of scenes that enthrall me. Another problem is that the characters unique to the movie (i.e. Kruge) aren't as intriguing as those unique to the movies it takes place between. Kruge was an okay villain, but he wasn't as charismatic as Khan, and his interactions with Kirk weren't as memorable as those of Khan (even without them meeting in person) or even the scientist in The Voyage Home.
With that said, though, I don't hate the movie. Not by a long shot. I think it's still better than all of the TNG movies except First Contact as well as The Motion Picture. It's just nothing special. It's the 'safest' movie in the franchise. Servicable, but lacking the extra spark that the best movies in the franchise had. I think Spock being away for most of the movie (although we hear his voice as he's possessed McCoy) hurt it a lot too. Without the Kirk, Spock, McCoy dynamic, it was missing something integral. I agree, though, him recognizing Kirk at the end was a great moment, it's just too bad the movie didn't have more moments like that.
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Sorry, double post, please delete.
TMP!
TMP.
1) TWOK
2) TUC/FC
3) TSFS/TVH/TMP
4) TFF/GENS
5) INS/NEMESIS
Don't get me started on that.
Apart from it I enjoyed TSFS. I was one who actually wished David and Saavik could have joined the crew. Also, I felt the death of the Enterprise was well done. For me, the end of TVH almost kills it. Sure, the crew get redeemed. Did anyone really think they wouldn't? And then they get shoved back in the same positions they held twenty years prior.
I thought Kirk was the only one being punished? It seems more like he's the only one being rewarded. If I were Uhura, I'd want my own damn ship already.
2) TUC/FC
3) TSFS/TVH/TMP
4) TFF/GENS
5) INS/NEMESIS
Don't get me started on that.
Apart from it I enjoyed TSFS. I was one who actually wished David and Saavik could have joined the crew. Also, I felt the death of the Enterprise was well done. For me, the end of TVH almost kills it. Sure, the crew get redeemed. Did anyone really think they wouldn't? And then they get shoved back in the same positions they held twenty years prior.
I thought Kirk was the only one being punished? It seems more like he's the only one being rewarded. If I were Uhura, I'd want my own damn ship already.
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Voted for First Contact.
Also enjoy TSFS and TVH too. I'm an oddity amongst Trek fans as I think TWOK is HUGELY over-rated by fandom.
Also enjoy TSFS and TVH too. I'm an oddity amongst Trek fans as I think TWOK is HUGELY over-rated by fandom.
Sorry, but I loved that film begining to end!
First Contact, being that I've always had a thing for the Borg. Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country come right after that.
So did I. I've been rewatching the Trek films this weekend with my husband, who is watching them for the first time (we are going to see XI on Wednesday in the European Premiere and I want him to know at least some of Trek before that). He thought TWOK was ho-hum, TSFS was weak, TVH was godawful, TFF we did not watch as I refuse to admit it exists, but after TUC he was all "What? Is there no more? How are they going to arrange the peace? What about the Romulans? Was this really the final voyage of the crew? I want to see more!"Sorry, but I loved that film begining to end!
For him TUC was interesting because of its scope - it was about the future of the Federation, the Klingons, peace or war, diplomacy, end of an era. I always loved the political aspects of TUC myself. And the prison scenes are no problem for me, I even find them kind of fun.
Sorry, but I loved that film begining to end!
Ditto that. The only way it could have been better is if Valeris had been Saavik, and I'd have also made just a couple of subtle nit-picky alterations. Overall, I love it's political themes and message of hope for peace and redemption.
Yeah, to date they're probably the best Star Trek films ever made, though I'm optimistic that will change on May 8th...Why aren't 'Galaxy Quest' and 'Master and Commander' on the poll, btw?
Tough choices with TMP, TWOK and TUC. In the end had to go with TWOK. To me, the TNG movies don't even approach TOS movies in quality.
